100NL KK on monotone flop

[ship_it_trebek]

SB is running 41/7 and we've battled fairly often. He loves calling my PFR and seems to have a distinct pattern on the flop. I haven't shown down with him when he c/r my c-bet on the flop but anytime he donkbets and I raise his cards fly into the muck. So I figure his stronger hands merit the c/r and he tries to steal with the donkbet. Definitely isn't a thinking player especially with those stats. Although its never been a multiway pot when this happens. UTG sucks running like 43/23 always min raising preflop. I figure he's on a club draw. I'm getting almost 3-1 on the river but I feel like that card is only marginally better than a club.


Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (MP2): $108.40
CO: $73.45
BTN: $71.40
SB: $95.10
BB: $34.70
UTG: $46.20
UTG+1: $97
UTG+2: $162.30
MP1: $103.55

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP2)
UTG calls $1, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5</font>, SB calls $4.50, UTG calls $4

Flop: ($16) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $8</font>, UTG calls $8, <font color="red">Hero raises to $48</font>, SB calls $40, UTG folds

Turn: ($120) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $42.10 and is All-In</font>, Hero....

[random50]

He's probably got the Ace of clubs. At 41/7, a really sick A4o or A5o is also a definite possibility (maybe even without the club). There's very little you're beating, and less still that doesn't have plenty of outs.

However, you *are* getting very nearly 4 to 1, so that makes it close. It's still a "curse/fold" situation IMO.

[The Rat Pack]

Crappy spot. As played I think you have to fold. Does anyone think that a smaller raise on the flop say to 32 or 36 total, accomplishes the same thing?

[ship_it_trebek]

Yeah the sizing of the flop raise and whether to raise or not is more of a concern to me than this call or fold on the turn.

[The Eureka Kid]

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Yeah the sizing of the flop raise and whether to raise or not is more of a concern to me than this call or fold on the turn.

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The flop raise is yuck, even against donkeys. You've invested 5bb, you have an okay hand for this board, but not a big hand. Why do you want to create a big pot without a big hand against players who have really wide ranges here?

[elliot]

fold turn.

[Lansingg]

Why the huge raise on flop?

[ship_it_trebek]

It didn't need to be that large unfortunately hindsight is 20/20. I figured UTG for a draw and SB had been folding to my aggression when he donk bet. I guess a raise to 30 would suffice just as well, so i guess more of a question here is should i even bother raising