NL2k Value shove this river?

[Tumez]

Hand 450011476594, Started at 2007-09-17 16:40:38
Table Beachjohans HE: $20-$20 No Limit HE (Real)

Seat 0: cheekychica ($966,50 in chips)
Seat 1: -BlackKitty- ($2784,50 in chips)
Seat 2: c0pacetik ($3698,50 in chips)
Seat 8: YLAN09 ($2713,50 in chips)
Seat 9: Hero ($1802 in chips) (on the button)

*** Blind Bet Round *** :

Dealt to Hero:A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

cheekychica : Post Blind ($10)
-BlackKitty- : Post Blind ($20)

*** Pre-Flop *** :

c0pacetik : Fold
YLAN09 : Bet ($80)
Hero : Raise ($270)
cheekychica : Fold
-BlackKitty- : Fold
YLAN09 : Call ($190)

*** Flop *** : 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

YLAN09 : Check
Hero : Bet ($300)
YLAN09 : Call ($300)

*** Turn *** : [ 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

YLAN09 : Check
Hero : Check

(Pot: $1170)
*** River *** : [ 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ] A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
YLAN09 : Bet ($225)
Hero?

Villian is a 45/18/3.2 donk. My friend and I disagreed this hand. Should I value shove this?

[ogdundar]

I don't think you should raise at all. I agree you have the best hand a fair amount of the time but I don't think many worse hands call.

[AbreuTime]

If you shove, it's not for value. You'd need one heckuva maniac image to shove for value here. Expecting a floated midpair or weaker Ace to call, and does that make up a significant part of his calling range?

[silenced]

call.....shoving is soooooooooooo thin even vs an idiot

[Tumez]

You really think so? Remember this is an idiot. I figured out if he is stupid enough to call the flop with, say AQ, he´ll be idiot enough to call with AJ and worse. And his bet is so weak, could be some blocker with KK, and he could talk himself to call with it. This would be easy shove without the flush getting there, but I think is still, (but probably only marginal) even though it hitted. I could be wrong though.

[freeucm]

ug you see the flush folding>calling.

[Jamougha]

I don't think I can construct an accurate range here, so I would call.

[blankoblanco]

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ug you see the flush folding>calling.

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you're really starting to make it too obvious. try scaling it back a little bit

[Praetor]

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I don't think I can construct an accurate range here, so I would call.

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[DrMagic]

Ya just call