Entire HH for a $16 on Stars

[Finnisher]

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I was wondering what you would do in this hand if omni had folded. You can't obv push and I guess raising isn't possible.


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Probably fold, but raising to 450/500 isn't bad at all.

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Even if BB isn't folding anything preflop (he might fold bottom 20%)?

[z32fanatic]

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#1
Seat 1: omniheart (1440 in chips)
Seat 2: Shlooks (555 in chips)
Seat 3: Grimace1897 (1370 in chips)
Seat 4: thelucid1 (1270 in chips)
Seat 5: z32fanatic (2135 in chips)
Seat 6: TITUSPOWER (1430 in chips)
Seat 7: THEBIGE13 (1990 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: Budha95 (1675 in chips)
Seat 9: aaamonty3 (1635 in chips)
Shlooks: posts small blind 15
Grimace1897: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to z32fanatic [Th Td]
thelucid1: folds
z32fanatic: calls 30
TITUSPOWER: folds
THEBIGE13: folds
Budha95: folds
aaamonty3: calls 30
omniheart: folds
Shlooks: raises 525 to 555 and is all-in
Grimace1897: folds
z32fanatic: raises 1580 to 2135 and is all-in
aaamonty3: folds


What range did you put villain on? He has well over 18 BB and there are roughly some 100 chips in the pot.
If you had raised, given you better odds, but the limp-over-shove is what is confusing me.



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When people shove like this, it's very very very unlikely they have a hand that beats you. If he has AK-AJ I'm glad to get it in with him. Are we worried about JJ+? I'm not. JJ+ would almost certainly raise to 150 here. I just don't see him shoving 18BB with a hand that has us beat.

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#2:
Seat 1: omniheart (1215 in chips)
Seat 4: thelucid1 (880 in chips)
Seat 5: z32fanatic (3080 in chips)
Seat 6: TITUSPOWER (1205 in chips)
Seat 7: THEBIGE13 (3965 in chips)
Seat 8: Budha95 (500 in chips)
Seat 9: aaamonty3 (2655 in chips)
z32fanatic: posts small blind 75
TITUSPOWER: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to z32fanatic [9c Ad]
THEBIGE13: calls 150
Budha95: folds
aaamonty3: folds
omniheart: folds
thelucid1: folds
z32fanatic: calls 75
TITUSPOWER: checks

Could you give a reasoning for completing versus folding / raising here.
and thanks a lot for the effort


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I think raising is horrible, OOP vs. an EP limp (even from this guy). I think folding is a little weak because we have A9, which is decent. We're getting 5:1 on the call, and if I flop top pair A I'm check/calling the flop to keep the pot small. As tight as I am, I can't justify folding A9o from the SB here.

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edit:
the KQo minraise thing discussed here, why don't you contibet that flop?

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People don't fold to Cbets on the flop in SNGs nearly as much as they should. Basically, they will pay you off whenever you have something, especially at this level. I ended up not making a hand against Bige the entire tournament (besides the 2nd level QQ hand), which is why I never doubled up against him. If I had made top pair against him I'd have gotten it all in confidently.

[z32fanatic]

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Even if BB isn't folding anything preflop (he might fold bottom 20%)?

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I think he'll fold more than 20%, but not a whole lot more. I mean the main reason I would raise here is so I could play a HU pot against Bige. If I flop nothing he'll probably check to me, then I can see the turn for free. If I flop any pair I'd bet the hell out of it and expect to get paid off by a worse hand.

[raptor517]

PokerStars Game #7639766356: Tournament #39079216, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2006/12/28 - 00:02:47 (ET)
Table '39079216 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 5: z32fanatic (2910 in chips)
Seat 8: Budha95 (10590 in chips)
z32fanatic: posts the ante 25
Budha95: posts the ante 25
Budha95: posts small blind 200
z32fanatic: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to z32fanatic [Kd 8d]
Budha95: raises 800 to 1200
z32fanatic: folds
Budha95 collected 850 from pot
Budha95: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 850 | Rake 0
Seat 5: z32fanatic (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Budha95 (button) (small blind) collected (850)

meh? meh.

also, the stop and go with 33 is silly. u def have fold equity. holla

[z32fanatic]

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PokerStars Game #7639766356: Tournament #39079216, $15+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2006/12/28 - 00:02:47 (ET)
Table '39079216 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 5: z32fanatic (2910 in chips)
Seat 8: Budha95 (10590 in chips)
z32fanatic: posts the ante 25
Budha95: posts the ante 25
Budha95: posts small blind 200
z32fanatic: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to z32fanatic [Kd 8d]
Budha95: raises 800 to 1200
z32fanatic: folds
Budha95 collected 850 from pot
Budha95: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 850 | Rake 0
Seat 5: z32fanatic (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Budha95 (button) (small blind) collected (850)

meh? meh.

also, the stop and go with 33 is silly. u def have fold equity. holla

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People's ranges are usually not wide enough to justify calling 7.5BB with K8s. I know it's a King, and I know it's suited, but this is the $16s. People are so loose passive you can just run them over all day. It's also the first hand of HU so I'm not sure how he plays. They have Ax here so much and I'm giving up the advantage I have over him by knowing how to push, and if he's aggressive, how to call.

Ok the 33 might have been a bit overboard just because I had >4k in chips. But obviously I'm gonna look retarded when he instacalls KJ on that board. Change his hand to AT/66 and I'm a genius . [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]