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Old 09-05-2007, 03:02 AM
loveminuszero loveminuszero is offline
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Default 25NL - nut flush draw and gutshot - get it all in on the flop?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $24.40
Hero (BB): $24.50
UTG: $22.20
BTN: $30.30

Preflop: Hero is dealt 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $0.85</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $1.25</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.75</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $13.05</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $23.65</font>, UTG calls all-in for $8.30
Uncalled bet of $2.30 returned to Hero
Uncalled bet of $0.00 returned to UTG

Turn: ($44.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

River: ($44.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $44.50 ($2 Rake)
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Old 09-05-2007, 03:22 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - nut flush draw and gutshot - get it all in on the flop?

Raise to potsize with your first raise. Rest is good, imo. But it's a coinflip, so expect huge variance.
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Old 09-05-2007, 03:58 AM
IAGTTAYM IAGTTAYM is offline
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Default Re: 25NL - nut flush draw and gutshot - get it all in on the flop?

We need something like 40-41% equity when he makes it 13.
Its a high varience/break even play, but when I c/r the flop Im going with it.
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Old 09-05-2007, 04:01 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - nut flush draw and gutshot - get it all in on the flop?

I hate the flop C/R, as you have next to zero fold equity. Just call and try to hit your hand.
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Old 09-05-2007, 04:17 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - nut flush draw and gutshot - get it all in on the flop?

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I hate the flop C/R, as you have next to zero fold equity. Just call and try to hit your hand.

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I may just push this on the flop to get maximum fold equity - which I think you need as you probably have a 50% chance to make this hand if you're behind.
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Old 09-05-2007, 04:34 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - nut flush draw and gutshot - get it all in on the flop?

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I hate the flop C/R, as you have next to zero fold equity. Just call and try to hit your hand.

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With a combo draw you have the most equity on the flop, so you want to get it in there. The situation where just calling is best, is actually, when you can't get it in with a single raise, but when villain just calls your smaller raise, he will have enough left to bet to punish you on a blank turn. Here, even when OP raises to pot size on the flop and villain flat calls, they will have approx. 2x the pot in their stacks. So even when villain bets the pot on the turn, OP has the implied odds to call, assuming that he has indeed at least 13 outs if he is behind.
I agree that OP's play would be better if he had fold equity. OTOH, if his raise is called, he knows that he will probably get payed off when he hits, so his implied odds are good and he can start building a pot on the flop.
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Old 09-05-2007, 05:01 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - nut flush draw and gutshot - get it all in on the flop?

i don't think i really like it much, because your fe is obviously going to be very low, and there's a lot of split and redraw possiblities when you make your hand. KK-TT/AK/KQ all interfere, and almost certainly aren't folding.
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:11 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - nut flush draw and gutshot - get it all in on the flop?

I agree that it's a little optimistic to assume 13 clean outs here. I'd go mostly with the flush.
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Old 09-05-2007, 07:11 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - nut flush draw and gutshot - get it all in on the flop?

He has a set a lot here so your flush outs arent as good as you think. I think I'd play this a little more passively, I dont really like my hand so much on this board.
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Old 09-05-2007, 07:25 AM
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Default Re: 25NL - nut flush draw and gutshot - get it all in on the flop?

I just call the flop, maybe its too passive..
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