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Old 12-10-2006, 07:10 PM
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Old 12-10-2006, 07:14 PM
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Default Re: Arab states study shared nuclear program

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Bad. A broader-based program (including Iran) that we can rely on to really focus on peaceful purposes would be great. But this just looks like an effort to form a nuclear counterweight to Iran, which is just going to encourage everyone to further develop nuclear weapon technology.
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Old 12-10-2006, 08:33 PM
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Default Re: Arab states study shared nuclear program

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061210/...summit_nuclear

Is this good or bad?

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Bad. A broader-based program (including Iran) that we can rely on to really focus on peaceful purposes would be great. But this just looks like an effort to form a nuclear counterweight to Iran, which is just going to encourage everyone to further develop nuclear weapon technology.

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You mean bad because this may very well help to elevate a significant part of the third world to a level where the west will be unable to [censored] with them anymore right?

Everyone should have the right to nuclear technology. Just like everyone has the right to automobiles, or the internet.
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Old 12-10-2006, 11:07 PM
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Default Re: Arab states study shared nuclear program

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061210/...summit_nuclear

Is this good or bad?

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Bad. A broader-based program (including Iran) that we can rely on to really focus on peaceful purposes would be great. But this just looks like an effort to form a nuclear counterweight to Iran, which is just going to encourage everyone to further develop nuclear weapon technology.

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You mean bad because this may very well help to elevate a significant part of the third world to a level where the west will be unable to [censored] with them anymore right?

Everyone should have the right to nuclear technology. Just like everyone has the right to automobiles, or the internet.

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automobiles and the internet are rights?????
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Old 12-10-2006, 11:27 PM
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Default Re: Arab states study shared nuclear program

The NPT is a joke. Its just a way to maintain power structures. It is unrealistic and unsustainable.
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Old 12-11-2006, 04:51 AM
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Default Re: Arab states study shared nuclear program

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061210/...summit_nuclear

Is this good or bad?

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Bad. A broader-based program (including Iran) that we can rely on to really focus on peaceful purposes would be great. But this just looks like an effort to form a nuclear counterweight to Iran, which is just going to encourage everyone to further develop nuclear weapon technology.

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You mean bad because this may very well help to elevate a significant part of the third world to a level where the west will be unable to [censored] with them anymore right?

Everyone should have the right to nuclear technology. Just like everyone has the right to automobiles, or the internet.

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These nations are currently getting ~$60/barrel of oil from the West, do you care to explain how exactly we are [censored] with them? The evil West could easily take over their oil fields and do whatever they so choose with them and do whatever they like with the indigenous populations. Our morality prevents this. Your assertion is baseless and as such has no bearing on whether these countries should be allowed to go nuclear. The repercussions of fiefdoms and/or religious zealots having nuclear technology is the relevant issue.
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Old 12-11-2006, 12:25 PM
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Default Re: Arab states study shared nuclear program

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061210/...summit_nuclear

Is this good or bad?

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Bad. A broader-based program (including Iran) that we can rely on to really focus on peaceful purposes would be great. But this just looks like an effort to form a nuclear counterweight to Iran, which is just going to encourage everyone to further develop nuclear weapon technology.

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You mean bad because this may very well help to elevate a significant part of the third world to a level where the west will be unable to [censored] with them anymore right?

Everyone should have the right to nuclear technology. Just like everyone has the right to automobiles, or the internet.

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How do you feel about the second amendment?
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Old 12-11-2006, 05:44 PM
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Default Re: Arab states study shared nuclear program

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061210/...summit_nuclear

Is this good or bad?

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Bad. A broader-based program (including Iran) that we can rely on to really focus on peaceful purposes would be great. But this just looks like an effort to form a nuclear counterweight to Iran, which is just going to encourage everyone to further develop nuclear weapon technology.

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You mean bad because this may very well help to elevate a significant part of the third world to a level where the west will be unable to [censored] with them anymore right?

Everyone should have the right to nuclear technology. Just like everyone has the right to automobiles, or the internet.

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These nations are currently getting ~$60/barrel of oil from the West, do you care to explain how exactly we are [censored] with them? The evil West could easily take over their oil fields and do whatever they so choose with them and do whatever they like with the indigenous populations. Our morality prevents this. Your assertion is baseless and as such has no bearing on whether these countries should be allowed to go nuclear. The repercussions of fiefdoms and/or religious zealots having nuclear technology is the relevant issue.

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The only real asset of the gulf is their oil. If they modernized and became a productive industrial nation then perhaps they would A) use more of their oil for themselves B) have a much more stable nation made up of citizens with high rates of literacy and power

Nuclear power is a tool with unimaginable potential. Electric power could launch these third world nations into the modern age.

As an aside, how long do you think nuclear weapons will remain solely in the hands of the 11 or so nations that have them? 20 years? 50? 100? 300? It seems inevitable that this technology will be realized by everyone on planet earth eventually.

How long do you think that religion will be around for? How about dictatorships? It seems that these have been around since the beginning of time.

As mentioned above, it is unsustainable to keep this technology out of the third world's hands. Further more it is down right immoral. How can it be moral to ensure that a nation and its people will never live at the standard of living Americans and the west enjoy by keeping revolutionary technology out of their hands?

Imagine if the UK banned all other nations from having trains after they made them. Where would the US be today? Most likely in a position similar to the third world.
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Old 12-11-2006, 07:58 PM
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Default Re: Arab states study shared nuclear program

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061210/...summit_nuclear

Is this good or bad?

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Bad. A broader-based program (including Iran) that we can rely on to really focus on peaceful purposes would be great. But this just looks like an effort to form a nuclear counterweight to Iran, which is just going to encourage everyone to further develop nuclear weapon technology.

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You mean bad because this may very well help to elevate a significant part of the third world to a level where the west will be unable to [censored] with them anymore right?

Everyone should have the right to nuclear technology. Just like everyone has the right to automobiles, or the internet.

[/ QUOTE ]

These nations are currently getting ~$60/barrel of oil from the West, do you care to explain how exactly we are [censored] with them? The evil West could easily take over their oil fields and do whatever they so choose with them and do whatever they like with the indigenous populations. Our morality prevents this. Your assertion is baseless and as such has no bearing on whether these countries should be allowed to go nuclear. The repercussions of fiefdoms and/or religious zealots having nuclear technology is the relevant issue.

[/ QUOTE ]

The only real asset of the gulf is their oil. If they modernized and became a productive industrial nation then perhaps they would A) use more of their oil for themselves B) have a much more stable nation made up of citizens with high rates of literacy and power

Nuclear power is a tool with unimaginable potential. Electric power could launch these third world nations into the modern age.

As an aside, how long do you think nuclear weapons will remain solely in the hands of the 11 or so nations that have them? 20 years? 50? 100? 300? It seems inevitable that this technology will be realized by everyone on planet earth eventually.

How long do you think that religion will be around for? How about dictatorships? It seems that these have been around since the beginning of time.

As mentioned above, it is unsustainable to keep this technology out of the third world's hands. Further more it is down right immoral. How can it be moral to ensure that a nation and its people will never live at the standard of living Americans and the west enjoy by keeping revolutionary technology out of their hands?

Imagine if the UK banned all other nations from having trains after they made them. Where would the US be today? Most likely in a position similar to the third world.

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Firstly, the notion that nuclear power is a "tool with unimaginable potential" is straight out of some 1930s sci-fi and is not really true. Nuclear power only generates a fifth of US electricity, and no new plants have been constructed in decades. And we're still trying to cope with all the deadly radioactive waste we're producing. Sure, all countries have a right to peaceful uses of nuclear power, but I really don't think Omanis saving a penny/kWh 15 years from now balances out the dangers inherent in having nukes all across the Middle East.

Second, you seem to be conflating peaceful and military uses of nuclear power. Most countries do not have a right to military nuclear technology, having renounced it in the NPT. So, while everyone should be allowed to have nuclear power generation if they want it, it's perfectly reasonable to make sure they get it in a way that limits its weapon potential.

Finally, the system is not as impossible to enforce as you believe. At least two countries (South Africa, Iraq) have given up weapons programs or actual nuclear weapons. Other nuclear programs (NK, Iran, India, Pakistan) have been identified by the international community well before they succeeded in producing weapons. More work is needed to figure out the best methods of pressure to apply to deter weapon-seekers, but it's not impossible. In a 100 years maybe it will be, but that's a bit far away for me to worry about.
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Old 12-11-2006, 09:33 PM
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Default Re: Arab states study shared nuclear program

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Electric power could launch these third world nations into the modern age.

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Haha, this is funny.
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