AK makes boat against LAGtard

paperboyNC · #1 10-02-2006, 11:28 PM

Over 200 hands: He is 64/9/9.73

Flop: 7.83 agg
Turn: 9.25 agg
River: 23.00 agg

My biggest leak as a limit player is to spew against LAGs. This guy loves to donkbet against a PFR, but does seem to slow down when he's raised.

PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (7.20 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero ?

tehox · #2 10-02-2006, 11:31 PM

I think the flop and turn play are debatable. I am tempted to just call down against this guy flop turn and river on this flop. As played you could maybe fold turn, guess depends on your read.

All you can eat on the river

___ · #3 10-02-2006, 11:34 PM

Is this some sort of a joke? If he's a LAG he will happily overplay an 8, overpair to the eight, and even occasionally from a player like him a 3-barrel bluff. This is a very easy river raise.

I think the flop action is more questionable and that you should probably just call down from there. Maybe you could fold the river or free showdown raise the turn, but I don't like raising the flop because this is exactly the sort of player who you don't want to bloat the pot against when you have a marginal but showdown worthy hand. He will 3-bet you with worse hands, but do you still want to call down unimproved after facing the flop 3-bet?

lank4ever · #4 10-02-2006, 11:39 PM

Im assuming that paperboy raised the flop because he thought the LAGTARD would 3 bet so much that the raise was for value, and I might do the same and call down UI after he 3 bets me or if he raises the turn.

Take all you can get on the river.

paperboyNC · #5 10-02-2006, 11:42 PM

PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Lagtard is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Lagtard calls, CO calls, PaperboyNC raises, 2 folds, Lagtard calls, CO calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Lagtard checks, CO checks, PaperboyNC bets, Lagtard calls, CO folds.

Turn: (4.70 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Lagtard bets, PaperboyNC calls.

River: (6.70 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Lagtard bets, PaperboyNC calls.

Final Pot: 8.70 BB

Results in white below: 
Lagtard has Kd Qd (high card, ace).
PaperboyNC has Qh Qs (one pair, queens).
Outcome: PaperboyNC wins 8.70 BB.

tehox · #6 10-02-2006, 11:52 PM

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PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Lagtard is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, Lagtard calls, CO calls, PaperboyNC raises, 2 folds, Lagtard calls, CO calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Lagtard checks, CO checks, PaperboyNC bets, Lagtard calls, CO folds.

Turn: (4.70 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Lagtard bets, PaperboyNC calls.

River: (6.70 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Lagtard bets, PaperboyNC calls.

Final Pot: 8.70 BB

Results in white below: 
Lagtard has Kd Qd (high card, ace).
PaperboyNC has Qh Qs (one pair, queens).
Outcome: PaperboyNC wins 8.70 BB. 

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This hand makes me more want to just call down when he leads the flop. You don't allow him to fold a worse hand, he has at most 6 outs if you're ahead, and you don't get pushed off worse hands. It just seems to me that these are the spots when these bad LAGs start playing close to optimal (when he bet/3bets the flop you're basically flipping a coin as to wheteher a call down is +EV). But if you let him keep bluffing you play into his weaknesses.

This changes if the post above is true (he is so LAG you are happy that he 3 bets the flop)

TheGunner · #7 10-02-2006, 11:54 PM

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Is this some sort of a joke? If he's a LAG he will happily overplay an 8, overpair to the eight, and even occasionally from a player like him a 3-barrel bluff. This is a very easy river raise.

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MacGuyV · #8 10-02-2006, 11:56 PM

Call down from flop, raise river.
DIE FRITZ DIE YOU MOTHER [censored] WORTHLESS PIECE OF [censored].