Thoughts on turn

[ADLinden]

I am new to this game, so this may be an easy fold....

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Omaha Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
8 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6SB, 6 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 raises</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 caps</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (11BB, 4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 calls all-in $3.5</font>. Hero?

[templar999]

Fold the turn as played.

On the flop, there is zero need for you to jam. Your equity isn't likely to be more than 25% to begin with. Half the the pot is already gone, and there are plenty of redraws that will beat you for your half. Furthermore, keeping the pot small will allow you to fold if a bad card comes on the turn. You should probably check/call this hand all the way to the river, then get aggressive if you still have the nuts by then.

[Split Suit]

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Fold the turn as played.

On the flop, there is zero need for you to jam. Your equity isn't likely to be more than 25% to begin with. Half the the pot is already gone, and there are plenty of redraws that will beat you for your half. Furthermore, keeping the pot small will allow you to fold if a bad card comes on the turn. You should probably check/call this hand all the way to the river, then get aggressive if you still have the nuts by then.

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my thoughts exactly

[BigBadBabar]

fold turn

[bbartlog]

Looks like a fold. Based on betting seems like UTG+1 just made a FH.
As for check/calling to the river, that seems too weak. I like the initial flop bet (though I wouldn't 3-bet for fear of folding someone) and would definitely bet the turn if the board didn't pair or enable a flush.

[chaos]

Why are you jamming on the flop?

Small straights are not a good hand in Omaha/8. You are only playing for half the pot. You have five opponents and are out of position. There is a flush draw out there. The only good thing about your hand is that you have a redraw to a bigger straight. I would check and call on the flop and turn. You should fold if a spade comes or the board pairs.

The turn is an easy fold despite the size of the pot that you built.

- chaos

[Colonel Ingus]

check/call flop, fold turn

[bbartlog]

Check/calling the flop still seems stupid to me.
- You don't know that someone has A2xx, let alone A2xx with a significant freeroll.
- you don't want hands with spade flush draws (but no nut low) to draw for free
- It seems more likely that two people have A2xx than that another person has 67xx.
- 26xx may well pay you off
- If you don't ever bet here without A2xx, it's too easy to put you on a hand.

Anyway - similar hand, different outcome (proves nothing, I know):


PokerStars HORSE
(Omaha Hi/Lo Limit, $1/$2)
8 players

Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO raises, Button folds, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (12SB, 6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 folds, CO raises, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (10BB, 4 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (14BB, 4 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, CO raises, Hero calls.

Showdown:
CO shows 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (HI: a straight, Ace to Five; LO:
5,4,3,2,A)
Hero shows T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (HI: a straight, Five to Nine; LO:
7,6,5,4,3)
Hero collected $17.75 from pot
CO collected $17.75 from pot

Apologies if the hand history is mangled - the converter choked on it for some reason so I did it by hand.

[zizazziza]

FOLD THE FLOP. this is one of those times that u should fold the nuts.

[bbartlog]

Fold flop? Maybe if this were pot limit... as it is, what hands are you assigning opponents that make you think hero has equity small enough to fold instead of putting one more SB into the pot? It's not like we have really tough decisions on later streets: fold to a bet if board pairs, fold to a bet if spade flush comes. So folding to avoid mistakes (and not just purely for equity reasons) doesn't seem to apply either...