I didn't want to build a pot oop

[Unknown Soldier]

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Those who are advocating a flop bet...can you expand on your reasoning why?


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i think checking the flop is fine, but there are many reaons to bet it and i think betting > checking here:

protecting your equity; you don't know what villains bluffing frequencies are.

you have a good hand, definitely ahead of his calling range on this flop. you want to get vaue from these in case scare cards hit.


this is a wet board plenty of draws, so value from those. (kind of the same as above, but want to emphasise that the fact that this board is wet means we should be more inclined to bet).



Advantages to checking: get value from bluffs (although that well could be a downside as we cant really call turn w/o a read)

keep the pot reasonable with our marginal hand.

makes us look weaker so we are more likely to get value out of the very marignal hands in villains range.

[centgas]

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im glad ppl arent as cbet happy as they used to be. nh

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Do you not think that cbetting a lot makes life difficult for villain? Not cbetting a lot seems to offer a lot of free cards, and makes it more obvious with top hands. Say a flop is 552. With most hands you would advocate checking, yet if you have AA you are making it very easy for people to get away easily if you would normally check.

[RainbowBright]

bet the flop. the board is pretty wet even without a flush draw.

[wrschultz]

Like a few others have said, some villains will call with atc here once, so I just go ahead and bet here against them. Against others, you should obviously check behind.

The only read you gave was that he open limps, which means he probably doesn't play well. Against basically an unknown, I bet the flop.

[The Good]

Your "read" is pretty worthless IMO. I would also bet this flop. We do get value from worse hands and draws, wich we also protect against. Comeon, villain is unknown, he probably takes one of with a gutter even.

[tubasteve]

i hate betting because if you get called you cant really put any more money into the pot...maybe one more street max. you're not going to c-bet the flop then c/c c/c are you? by checking the flop you keep the pot manageable and you don't have as many tough decisions later in the hand.

[ASPoker8]

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We really don't need to bet this flop. I really thinking checking this flop > betting this flop

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Villain bets flop, we fold?

I'm part of the "check this flop in position" camp

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villain bets flop, we call

[0evg0]

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i hate betting because if you get called you cant really put any more money into the pot...maybe one more street max. you're not going to c-bet the flop then c/c c/c are you? by checking the flop you keep the pot manageable and you don't have as many tough decisions later in the hand.

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making a hand play out easier should have absolutely 0 impact on your decision making process

and ppl asking why we are betting? are you serious?

we have like 8th nuts here and pair + gutshot makes up like 50% of his range

so... bet.

[tubasteve]

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making a hand play out easier should have absolutely 0 impact on your decision making process


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thats so not true...its obviously not the only factor but good players are good at least partly because they know how to avoid really tough decisions where it is easy to make a mistake.

[traz]

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We really don't need to bet this flop. I really thinking checking this flop > betting this flop

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Villain bets flop, we fold?

I'm part of the "check this flop in position" camp

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villain bets flop, we call

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What's the turn line then?