FTP $1k Monday River Decision with KK

[RandALLin]

Full Tilt Poker Game #3106515193: $1K Monday (22389789), Table 25 - 10/20 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:12:19 ET - 2007/07/30
Seat 1: WLUstudent (2,870)
Seat 2: jayinch (2,050)
Seat 3: somporn (3,410)
Seat 4: SaturdayNight1 (3,970)
Seat 5: RandalFlow (2,950)
Seat 6: JohnnyGstaks (2,960), is sitting out
Seat 7: magikstick8 (2,900)
Seat 8: MAURONOMURA (2,920)
Seat 9: Randers (2,970)
WLUstudent posts the small blind of 10
jayinch posts the big blind of 20
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to RandalFlow [Ks Kd]
somporn has 15 seconds left to act
somporn raises to 60
SaturdayNight1 folds
RandalFlow has 15 seconds left to act
RandalFlow raises to 200
JohnnyGstaks folds
magikstick8 folds
MAURONOMURA folds
Randers folds
WLUstudent folds
jayinch folds
somporn calls 140
*** FLOP *** [6h 5c 7s]
somporn checks
RandalFlow has 15 seconds left to act
RandalFlow bets 280
somporn calls 280
*** TURN *** [6h 5c 7s] [Ac]
somporn checks
RandalFlow has 15 seconds left to act
RandalFlow checks
*** RIVER *** [6h 5c 7s Ac] [2h]
somporn has 15 seconds left to act
somporn bets 760
RandalFlow

Don't wanna sway the opinion one way or the other so I'll wait for my opinion. No reads.

[shaniac]

Looks like a fold, but I'm sure I convince myself to call at least 20% of the time.

[ASPoker8]

Call because he should never have Ax given preflop and flop.

His most likely range is something like 88-QQ turning his hand into a bluff.

[shaundeeb]

calll he knows you don't have the ace and is betting most of his range here. And you beat most of his range.

[Crispy]

I think this is a fold. I think a lot of hands that have us beat just check the river to us. However if a really Lagy opponent did this I would probably call.

[fnurt]

If you check the turn I think that obligates you to call the river.

[Ansky]

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If you check the turn I think that everyone always thinks it obligates you to call the river, but it really doesn't.

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[shaundeeb]

I think when the offsuit 2 comes on the river that is. Obv if 8c comes on the river we prob aren't calling

[fnurt]

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If you check the turn I think that everyone always thinks it obligates you to call the river, but it really doesn't.

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Okay, but one reason you play passively in a WA/WB situation is to induce bluffs. It's sort of a pity to induce a bluff and then fold to it.

[Ansky]

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If you check the turn I think that everyone always thinks it obligates you to call the river, but it really doesn't.

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Okay, but one reason you play passively in a WA/WB situation is to induce bluffs. It's sort of a pity to induce a bluff and then fold to it.

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What hand can villain have that is bluffing? I think it's rare to see a random tournament player smart enough to turn a made hand into a bluff.