jimmy rollins NL MVP

[lastchance]

Your team wins 70 games. You are responsible for 20 wins out of that 70 (yes, I know, absurd, but w/e, just listen). The MVP of a 90 win team that just made the playoffs is only responsible for 10 wins.

Who deserves the MVP award?

[Benholio]

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I think Matt Holliday clearly should have won. The 20/20/20/20 thing is obviously very impressive. However, Curtis Granderson did the same thing and didn't sniff the MVP or the win a Gold Glove in the AL, despite being one of the top 5 defensive centerfielders in the MLB.

Looking at Holliday's absurd numbers, I think he got absolutely jobbed.

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Holliday's road #s
.301 11hrs 55rbi .485 slugging .860 OPS

double those and tell me if he didnt play at Coors he was an MVP candidate

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You can take his Coors numbers and adjust them down, but you can't just replace them with his road numbers. What if a player playing in a hitting-neutral park hit 40 homers at home and 15 on the road, would you throw away 25 homers from his line?

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holliday's road #s dont come close to wrights, rollins's, fielders, or whatever other candidate you want to give me.

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That is not my point. My point is that you can't judge solely on road numbers. His home numbers do count! Coors field doesn't turn an average hitter into a 1.000+ OPS hitter. The entire difference between his home and road number's isn't wiped out when you adjust for the park.

[J.R.]

Food for thought:

Matt Holliday's MVP candidacy (to the extent we are defining it as the guy who contributed most to his team's winning, which seems fair since winning is the goal) should be affected by Coors field, because his production is less valuable at home than he is on the road, not because his numbers are "inflated."

Yes, Matt's numbers are much better at Coors (BTW, although he does have a unusually large historical split, as poker players hopefully we realize the uncertainty associated with just one season's worth of home/away splits), but a lot more runs are scored in general at Coors.

A run scored in a low scoring environment is worth more (in terms if advancing a team's chances of winning) than a run in a higher run scoring environment.

While Coors makes Matt better, it makes everybody else better too.

Even if Matt's improvement is better than the average hitter at Coors, which appears to be the case, it also appears this advantage is overwhelmed by the greater prevalence of runs in general, which makes each individual's contributions on the whole less valuable.

[dkgojackets]

god dammit guys the 20/20 * 10 is mine i did it first

[Pudge714]

It is dkgojackets, I assumed it would be kinda life Needle saying "He guys I came up with that VY joke first" I guess not enough people recognized you came up with it. I am also very disappointed he didn't get 20 first place votes.

[dkgojackets]

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I am also very disappointed he didn't get 20 first place votes.

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lol WFT

btw I liked the yambag thread title better.