Retarded pf spot with Queens

[Daddy Warbucks]

Villain in this hand is SexySueXXX on Party. About 15 minutes earlier, this hand happened where he/she is SB

Party Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $126.24
UTG: $96.50
CO: $46.38
Hero (BTN): $105
SB: $104.88

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $31</font>, 2 folds

Results: $9 Pot

Sue is 31/7/1.4 over an 88 hand sample. The min bettor and cold caller are pretty bad, and this was an easy 4 bet till this happened.

Party Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $125.68
Hero (UTG): $116.33
CO: $30.88
BTN: $48
SB: $237.29

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $7</font>, BTN folds, SB calls $6.50, <font color="red">BB raises to $50</font>, hero ???

[Chaos_ult]

Id fold since you're flipping or crushed by the majority of his range

[Daddy Warbucks]

Why do you assume its a tight range?

[Chaos_ult]

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Why do you assume its a tight range?

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Sue is 31/7/1.4 over an 88 hand sample

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not to mention the fact that you just got cold 4-bet

[Daddy Warbucks]

31 suggests "pretty bad", and the gross overbet suggests the same.

[Paul McSwizzle]

The fact that this was over a min-raise followed by a cold-caller is what makes this so tough... otherwise like you said its an easy 4-bet.

However, according to you, both of the first two players are pretty bad, and you are ahead of their range... I just don't think a fold is right here. I think the BB is trying to make some sort of a move here a lot.

That said, I'm sort of unfamiliar with what to do if we decide we are ahead of the BB's range... do we shove?

[Chaos_ult]

Yeah it's either shove or fold with &gt; %50 effective stacks in the pot

[The B]

call $50 PF, shove if no Ace flops

[Chaos_ult]

I think that I'd be much more inclined to play if you were cold-called in two spots...but CO min 3-bet you and now BB still cold 4-bets. That's a lot stronger than if you were simply 3-bet from the BB.

So I still fold

[Daddy Warbucks]

I don't think people are paying enough attention to the first hand.