AJo - Easy call?

Mr. GQ · #1 10-04-2007, 10:12 AM

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t200/t400
(Ante: t50)
8 players
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Seat 1: droghedapaul (14,542)
Seat 2: GQ9999 (7,720)
Seat 3: matt7898 (18,528)
Seat 5: woody37 (12,721)
Seat 6: flyingfalconer (19,660)
Seat 7: bobbyunger9 (12,718)
Seat 8: Mr Roeho (6,955)
Seat 9: fatmanscoop82 (62,477)

woody37 posts the small blind of 200
flyingfalconer posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #3

Pre-flop: (8 players)
GQ9999 is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

2 folds,
fatmanscoop82 calls t400 (pot was t1000),
droghedapaul folds, 
GQ9999 raises to t1600,
matt7898 folds, 
woody37 raises all-in t12671.

What now? Why?

BarryLyndon · #2 10-04-2007, 10:16 AM

I would have pushed this immediately without even thinking about raising. As played, it's much tougher, since his three bet seems like a narrow range of 1010+; AQ+. I don't konw - any reads? What did Fatmanscoop (redneck?) do? Did he call or fold? lol, kinduv important. I assume he folded.

I'm too lazy to do the math, but if he has any idea that are you committed here given the action, I probably let it go. Just push preflop next time.

Barry

levAA · #3 10-04-2007, 10:21 AM

Barry already answered it -

With M=7 and AJ this is an easy push (if there are antes i think it's better to play with M and not with xBB) - you could also raise 3000, so it's easy to call a push.

As played here i would fold - you don't get the odds you need as you will be an underdog most of the times and likely to be dominated.

Dalek · #4 10-04-2007, 10:25 AM

If ive got the math right your getting 3 to 2. I don't know the exact figures bu i'd call if the villains range is reasonably wide or if you've seen him do this before without a hand. If his range is 10s +,AQ+ then you have to fold.

This hand is mostly read dependant though.

homanga · #5 10-04-2007, 11:39 AM

Push Pre is looking like a much better alternative.

I'm folding here, this is hard ever less than AJ+ or 55+.

gobboboy · #6 10-04-2007, 11:40 AM

I think your line is fine. Fold now.

flippetyflop · #7 10-04-2007, 01:41 PM

Isn't pushing in this spot a bit overkill? Yeah we do have an m of 7....but pushing all in with a stack of over 7000 to win 1000 is a bit over the top.

Isn't a raise to 3/4 times big blind and then folding to a shove here the optimum play?

levAA · #8 10-04-2007, 02:10 PM

No - def. not

Make this play 3 times in a row and this was your tournament.

With stack/pot ratios so low you are committed to a hand once you decide to play.

The point isn't risk 7000 to win 1000 or 100000 to win 1 - you have to calculate your EV, and shoving here is a +EV move. You might raise with the intention to call to a shove or to play a go'n'go, but your M is simply to low to risk a hand to a restealer.

Thegunshow · #9 10-04-2007, 05:01 PM

Nothing wrong with the fold here, but why the 4x raise? If you are raising to steal, but folding to strength, a 2.5x-3x raise can accomplish that while spewing fewer chips. FWIW, when the CO rises 4x and I'm in the blinds, my screen starts flashing RE-STEAL in big green letters...

kenny7 · #10 10-04-2007, 07:17 PM

Guess you have to fold this,so a shove would def have been the better option.

Personally I have problems playing stacks like OP's got here. I totally agree that you really can't raise to steal,then fold to a shove,it's just that even with antes a shove seems a little overkill.

I see what levAA is saying,M=7,so shove,but whenever I do that(or for that matter when someone else does it) I feel the cards are virtually face up. No-one ever does this w a big pp,so it's big A or medium pair.