Ugh. Are the 2nd Nuts ever good here?

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I cant believe I'm asking but are we ever good here?

We're basically hoping the villian is over playing KK or AA but even bad players got to hesitate before three betting the turn. Does it become easier or harder to fold with the other players making the pot enormous. Villian cant be raising so light knowing everyone is coming along, but it makes the pot huge.

Action when Villian leads river?

Maybe I'm just second guessing myself after a rough day, but there were lots of hands like this where I know I' mbehind but cant get the fold button.

Quit being a baby and call down here or fold knowing I'm drawing to 1 out? Small $20 mistake vs. a huge $200+ one?

Dealt to CLEVERBEAVER [Js Jd]
CATLEWIS - Folds
ZOMBIE666 - Raises $10 to $10
KLONMIKE - Folds
MICHPU - Calls $10
CLEVERBEAVER - Raises $15 to $15
ORIOLES1983 - Folds
TARCARDS - Folds
ACTIONBETS - Raises $17 to $20
YASOOO - Folds
ZOMBIE666 - Calls $10
MICHPU - Calls $10
CLEVERBEAVER - Calls $5
*** FLOP *** [2s Qs Jc]
ACTIONBETS - Bets $5
ZOMBIE666 - Calls $5
MICHPU - Calls $5
CLEVERBEAVER - Raises $10 to $10
ACTIONBETS - Raises $10 to $15
ZOMBIE666 - Calls $10
MICHPU - Calls $10
CLEVERBEAVER - Calls $5
*** TURN *** [2s Qs Jc] [7c]
ACTIONBETS - Bets $10
ZOMBIE666 - Calls $10
MICHPU - Calls $10
CLEVERBEAVER - Raises $20 to $20
ACTIONBETS - Raises $20 to $30
ZOMBIE666 - Calls $20
MICHPU - Calls $20
CLEVERBEAVER ?

[dboy23]

well please never fold this hand.

Couldn't he be pushing his pot equity with a monster flush + straight draw type of hand here also?

I think you are good enough to cap the turn and pray for a blank/J.

But yeah unless a spade comes on the river i'm seeing a showdown.

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monster flush + straight draw type of hand here also?

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Range here has to be 4 hands. AA, KK, QQ and AsKs.

I'm not sure a lot of players 3 bet AsKs on the turn

[dboy23]

And you are ahead of that range by a good ammt and definitely ahead of the other players in the pot. Cap for value and reeval river.

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We're ahead of the range if its a straight pokerstove, but when he bet/3bets the flop and turn dont we have to weight his range heavily towards QQ?

[thepizzlefosho]

you had a bad day. don't start folding the second nuts in huge pots because you're running bad. If you start folding here you are going to start having really really really bad days.

just keep this post bookmarkes, and when you start running good against (tomorrow?) come back and take a look at it and lol that you considered folding on the turn.

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If I cap the turn, villian is obvisouly leading the river? call at that point yes?

If I had taken a different line and capped the flop, whats the play if the villian b/3b or c/r the turn?

[Mitke]

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There's as many QJ combos as there are QQ combos - although you don't see many preflop caps w/ QJ. But if you add the AA/KK possibilities and you probably are ahead of every one here on the flop.

There's two connected high cards on the paint for very possible straight draws and a flush draw out there. Pump your equity edge! Trap those two extras for more bets! Cap the flop!

This could be what the Villain is thinking w/ his AA/KK/AsKs or AcQc.
I think I'd pump the flop with those hands here.


Call down from the turn 3-bet bar a spade and the extra's waking up.