Mr. Gatorade’s Lies cost me over 70k at Full Tilt

[gumpzilla]

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Just 2 comments:

1) I don't think playing the same way live proves that you are not running a bot bc if you programmed the bot, you should be able to play like it.

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Should people who write chess programs be able to play like those programs? Admittedly there are some differences, but this seems like a bad criterion to me.

[NL__Fool]

Wasn't there a huge thread about 4-6 months back about another player who's funds were taken due to "supposed illegal software?"

The funds were taken, the player banned and then after the rep from the site came on here and explained they had "undisbutable proof from their security experts after reviewing the hands etc etc" and it turned out that it was a mistake on the Poker sites fault which they publicly admitted.

I cant remember if it was Full Tilt or Wpex it was one of those two.

There was another case of (Poker Stars I believe) banning a well known posters mother (teddyFBI) becasue she wes a "bot" and it was proven she wasn't. The threads in the archive somewhere

She made a $100 deposit or something like that and 2 days later they banned her and closed her account.

Again the poker site was proven to be wrong.

An then theres the case of Stars banning (I can't remember his name but you can find the video on Utube or in a post in the tourny section on 2 + 2) a player because he was 28 tabling Sit N Go's on 1 monitor. He went as far as making a video of himself doing it and again PokerStars was wrong.

Dont leave that much cash on a site since any Poker Site can confiscate it at any time without having to provide evidence because it will "comprimise their security or some BS like that"

Good Luck

[veganmav]

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Why anyone plays high-stakes HU LHE is beyond me, since it's the one permutation of poker that's been shown to have been essentially mastered by bots.


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Where was this shown/

[Gildwulf]

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what limits did you play at full tilt?

If you played 2/4 limit or NL 1/2 at FTP and now you're challenging accuser to play 200/400 hu live, you're for sure a cheat.

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50/100+ limit

[BeatMe1]

BeatMe1:

You're leaving something out in the email interchange. What is it?

I have not left anything out.

Are you saying that WITHOUT ANY WARNING, FTP just sent you the lower-most email alerting you that they had closed your account?

Yes - And as you can see from the emails I sent to Full Tilt I tried hard to talk to the poker manager but they were pretty clear that that was not an option.

DId you not have any warning of an investigation before that?

No

How do you know Gatorade had anything to do with this?

See my prior posts.


Your replies to FTP's emails are incredibly brazen...immediately you go on the offensive without even trying to ascertain just WTF actually happened...how come?

Because their email to me was insane and it pissed me off. As you can see my tone sobered when I figured out that this was not a low level error.

***As i have 1st-hand experience with a "false positive" bot investigation with my mother and Stars, I'm inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt before you're proven guilty, but there are more questions than answers so far...hopefully the story gets clearer...

Why anyone plays high-stakes HU LHE is beyond me, since it's the one permutation of poker that's been shown to have been essentially mastered by bots.

I have played alot of hands and my results are good. As long as I keep winning I'll keep playing.

***EDIT: BeatMe1, can u summarize what Gatorade's "evidence" against you is, other than the fact that you beat him?

No - but I can tell you that he accused of being a bot on Pokerroom and they seemed to understand that he was mearly trying to clear the field.

[slim]

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Just 2 comments:

1) I don't think playing the same way live proves that you are not running a bot bc if you programmed the bot, you should be able to play like it.

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Should people who write chess programs be able to play like those programs? Admittedly there are some differences, but this seems like a bad criterion to me.

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Nobody can play exactly like a bot that they created but they can certainly play close enough IN A LIVE game that observers would not know the difference. Al least not unless they played for 10's of thousands of hands and recorded all the relevant stats and compared it to the bot's PT stats , which would be next to impossible.

[sweetjazz]

What kind of tax records did you keep? Did you log the date and time of every session you played? Did you record this information electronically or by hand? Can you reproduce the dates and times of your sessions that would match FTPs records? If not, is that because you evaded your taxes or because you believed such records were not necessary?

[gehrig]

in the bot thread, beatme1 and bono1945 both had different stats than all the other players accused. i had never railed or played them so i dunno if they had the bot timing that BobaLoca and the rest had.

beatme1 had literally 0 hands played against the 8 or so bots that constantly played in his games. he did have plenty of hands against The Bryce, who is the biggest winner in his games and a human, as well as other ppl that i know are very good humans

[Dadswell]

Have you taken their advice and contacted the
http://www.kahnawake.com/gamingcommission/

[RoundGuy]

gehrig, what do you think the "overwhelming evidence" is that FT has, in your opinion?

Seems to me that inhuman duration of play, no breaks, etc. would be key. Anyone outside of FT have that kind of data on beatme1?