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Old 09-20-2007, 04:35 PM
Hicows Hicows is offline
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Default Am I a Fish 2?


Hello everyone. I made a play this afternoon that was very criticized by my opponent. But I really think I made the right play here it is:

15 players Sitngo tournament 10$ buy-in pays the first three places (30$, 45$, 75$). 2 players left. blinds 75 - 150.



I ( player A) am on the button with 4d 7d and I have about 18k chips

PLayer B has 4500 chips

PLayer A raises to 650$
PLayer B calls

The pot is now 1500$

the flop is

4c 8c qd

player B checks
player A bets 750
player B moves all in for about 3000.
The pot is about 5500 chips
player A calls for 2500.
player B turns over KK

The turn is Ad
The river is 7h



As you see I luckily win, the river giving me 2pair.

Player gently tells me I made some kind of a huge mistake, calling overpair with bottom pair where I was a 4 to 1 underdog, but I disagree.

I was offered good odds 2,25 to 1). If he had an overpair (what he actually had) I was a 4 to 1 dog, but there was a club draw on the board, so he may have made that play with any two clubs, where i had a coin flip. Less probably but still possible with hands like T9 or JT, maybe even J9, or overcards. So I think 2,25 to 1 odds are worth it
One more reason is I had the big stack, so I was still in even if I lost this one. And player B having seen me make this kind of play, I could value bet a lot more easily, and he could get scared to mess with me with nothing.

Overall I think it was a good call.

What do you think?
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Old 09-20-2007, 04:39 PM
shoefactory shoefactory is offline
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Default Re: Am I a Fish 2?

I think you are a fish for:

1. calling with junk PF
2. calling with junk on flop
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Old 09-20-2007, 04:45 PM
Hicows Hicows is offline
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Default Re: Am I a Fish 2?

I didn't called with junk pf, I raised...
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Old 09-20-2007, 05:01 PM
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Default Re: Am I a Fish 2?

you are a fish/bad. But if you want any help ask for help, dont ask if you are bad. (Fold PF and flop)
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Old 09-20-2007, 05:13 PM
thoman8r thoman8r is offline
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Default Re: Am I a Fish 2?

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What do you think?

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It was a bad call. Even if he just has the flush draw + over cards, you are a coinflip or worse; add in the possibility (probability) of an overpair, set, TPTK, TP+FD, and all sorts of combo draws and you are not getting the odds to call his all-in.
35,640 games 0.005 secs 7,128,000 games/sec

Board: 4c 8c Qd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 21.911% 21.90% 00.01% 7806 3.00 { 7d4d }
Hand 1: 78.089% 78.08% 00.01% 27828 3.00 { QQ+, 88, 44, AcKc, AQs, AcJc, KcQc, JcTc, Tc9c, AQo }
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Old 09-20-2007, 05:31 PM
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Default Re: Am I a Fish 2?

Played like a fish from start to finish I'm afraid
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Old 09-20-2007, 05:58 PM
Hicows Hicows is offline
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Default Re: Am I a Fish 2?

How about that distribution? .

Board: 4c 8c Qd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 30.761% 30.71% 00.05% 59894 99.50 { 7d4d }
Hand 1: 69.239% 69.19% 00.05% 134937 99.50 { 88+, 4h4s, AsKs, AsQs, AsJs, AsTs, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As5s, As4s, As3s, As2s, KsQs, KsJs, KsTs, Ks9s, Ks8s, Ks7s, Ks6s, Ks5s, Q4s+, J8s+, Js7s, Js6s, 98s, 9s7s, AQo+, A8o, K8o, Q4o+ }
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Old 09-20-2007, 06:03 PM
Carolina Pirate Carolina Pirate is offline
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Default Re: Am I a Fish 2?

You're heads up with a 4:1 chip advantage and position so raising there is not out of the question preflop, you hit the flop so there's no way you getting off that hand. No shame int he way you played it.
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Old 09-20-2007, 06:10 PM
Niediam Niediam is offline
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Default Re: Am I a Fish 2?

You played fine.
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Old 09-20-2007, 06:11 PM
Hicows Hicows is offline
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Default Re: Am I a Fish 2?

For those who think i shoud have folded preflop.

I have this:


equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.849% 39.11% 02.74% 820337671 57481944.50 { 7d4d }
Hand 1: 58.151% 55.41% 02.74% 1162270840 57481944.50 { random }

so I at least call. In position with 4:1 advantage in chips: I raise
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