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Old 09-04-2007, 04:37 PM
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Default KK bad board

$5.50 sit n go full game

Blinds are 50/100, everyone has about
1500 in chips

Im dealt Ks Kc on button
theres 3 limpers behind me, I raise to 450
everyone else folds round to the last limper
who just calls.

Flop comes Ah, Qh, Js. I check limper min bets
50 I call

Turn comes a 2d I check Limpers min bets 50 again
I call

River comes 3h I check Limper bets 200 I call


Should I have just folded this hand on the flop?
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:39 PM
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Default Re: KK bad board

I'm no expert by any means, but I don't think he gave you any indication that folding was the correct move. I do think you made a mistake by check calling him down though.

By raising preflop you told him you had a big hand, a hand that could very well include an A. I think instead of checking the flop you should consider making a continuation bet to see where you stand. His betting the minimum may have just been an attempt to steal the pot or chase a draw. Bet the flop and see what he does. Then, depending on the turn you can slow down if you need to.
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:48 PM
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Default Re: KK bad board

You must bet the flop here. If he calls, and the brick hits on the turn, bet again (but be prepared to lose). If you have the gonads, bet the river, too, but only so much that you can afford to lose because quite a few holdings beat you at this level. Fortunately, quite a few lesser call, too.

But, IMO you absolutely have to bet the flop and hope he folds.
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:59 PM
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Poster - I don't understand how the villain can minibet 50 if the blinds are 50/100 [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Here's the problem with c-betting the flop - there is 1000 in the pot and the Hero has 1000 left. If doesn't make sense to bet anything but your entire stack, if you bet. How are you planning on c-betting the flop AND the turn??

This is all-in or check/fold the flop decision, IMHO, depending on the reads on your opponent. I'd push.

EDIT: And yeah, wrong forum for SNG questions.
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Old 09-04-2007, 09:27 PM
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Default Re: KK bad board

Pushing the flop is a bit wrong headed, villain is not folding an ace and you smash the rest of his holdings. I would check call allin. The minbet is a bit weird though. I'd just call and see what develops. There's no way you can fold this hand on the flop given that the pot is the size of your stack.
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Old 09-04-2007, 11:14 PM
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I think you shoulda raised more preflop.
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Old 09-04-2007, 11:22 PM
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If you are on the button then you would be last to act.
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Old 09-05-2007, 05:06 PM
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I'd probably lead out or check raise villain

me newbie so don't shoot me [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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Old 09-05-2007, 05:34 PM
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Default Re: KK bad board

The isn't that bad as you'd think heads-up.

You could still have 6 outs (2K's and 4 T's), plus there are two hearts on the boards Ah and Qh, meaning if he limped in with Ax, he's got the wrong suit, and will surely fold his top pair weak kicker.

Apart from the fear of the flush there is also the straight.. Since you got 2 K's already, chances are, he isn't holding one.

Overall, he probably isn't holding any pocket pairs higher than JJ since he would have raised PF after seeing two limpers. Nor would he hold AK or AQ for the same reason (don't forget with an M of 10, people should be playing a bit looser)

he could be holding QJo (where he would probably bet out) or JTs, and would probably fold those unless they were hearts.

if the blinds are about to increase soon, you should be willing to go all-in. But a half-pot size raise should give a good idea if you're beaten...
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