2.2 PS Sat to Sun $100K

[JohnnyJoe]

Standard play? I'm 19th 18 get a seat. This orbit 4 smaller stacks won to stay in and push me to 19th.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (7 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO (t4605)
Button (t9900)
SB (t17176)
Hero (t2880)
UTG (t7315)
MP1 (t7453)
MP2 (t5665)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Button calls t400, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (t950) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Button bets all-in, hero calls
Final Pot: t950

[Uncle_Billy]

reads on button? does he limp a lot? if so i prob push preflop, unless he's a calling station preflop.

overpush on these things often means a draw - i prob call and hate it, but i'd much rather be pushing my stack preflop against a middle stack. argument for folding and looking for a good opp to open push, which i'm more comfortable doing.

bigger question - your post suggests you were trying to fold into the $ - risky when you're in the bottom 4-5 players leading to the bubble...

[levAA]

1st it is important if on any of the 2 others table there is a stack shorter than you - if yes - fold.

Button is a donk to get involved in the hand, as he can easily sit back and fall to a seat.

If you are the shortest stack on all tables I would still fold and wait for a hand I can push with and don't need to call an all-in.

[halpgr]

You're in 19th outta the money. But not far out of the money. Others are short too and will be under pressure. Many stronger Kx hands probably should have raised preflop. He could have K3-K4, Qx, 2x, Ace high or a flush draw. I think you're ahead often here.

I guess the question is the amount of time that you win this hand which will get you a seat against if you fold here can you win a seat if someone else busts or if you manage to double up. I think it's close but I'd say call.

[Dunkman]

Just fold in, someone will do something stupid and bust before you do even if you are the short stack.

[Willd]

The play in these is absolutely awful. I would be folding pretty much any flop I didn't hit a boat on here. I've been down to 2bbs and still been folding in similar spots because people are so so bad.

One time I was very short on the bubble (short enough to be all in on the ante iirc). I got lucky to win that hand at at the same time 2 other people went out on the other tables - 1 was the chipleader 2 hands previous and one was t5 at the time.

As I said, the play is so bad that I would say with your M of ~2 you're about 90% to win a seat by folding every hand.

[sapsuckah]

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Just fold in, someone will do something stupid and bust before you do even if you are the short stack.

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Yep. You still have 6 BBs and can survive for another couple orbits. Someone will absolutely bust before you in a $2 sat.

[JohnnyJoe]

Thanks for the comments. I almost folded for the reasons mentioned in your comments. Button was doing this a lot and had doubled two shorter stacks than me the last orbit. I thought his push meant a draw and it did he had AJo the turn brought ten and I busted out.

[M1cKmAcK]

good read. but most the time in this spot, even if he was playing with his cards flipped up, you'd want to fold. you've got enough chips to just fold in here... on the bubble of a sat you want to play to survive... risking it here doesn't make alot of sense.

[mappedout]

I agree fold it out. This play obv can only be advised under sat conditions where the payouts are all level (i.e. no diff between 18th and 1st, matter of fact the tourney is over when someone takes 19th) and nothing is to be gained by moving up in chips like you would want in any real tourney.

On another semi-realted note about sat play...

I was healthy on chips late in a sat to the mill a week ago and had someone allin on the bubble and i held AsQs, action quickly folded around to the last person once i called the potential bubble boy's open shove UTG with a total of ~4BB. The last person to act instacalled with me and the flop came Th2h3s, i instacheck, he checks, turn is Qh... i instacheck... he goes allin for about 10BB less than what i have so i have to fold thinking he made the flush or something and is isolating with the nuts (which isnt necessary anyways). Bubble turns up JsJc... other player turns up 8s8h, no heart comes and bubble doubles up cause the IDIOT pushed the best hand out of the pot...

I ask the guy what he was thinking and he replies with something like "i thought i could win the pot"... anyone who doesnt check it all the way down in a sat multiway onthebubble allin hand should be SHOT. Why is this a hard thing to understand?