200nl - 150BB Turn Semi Bluff, Good Spot or Spew?

[Unknown Soldier]

150bbs deep

[Fat Nicky]

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lol, please dont shove pf

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y not? vs.70% defends how much do u think u get a fold there? vs.any decent calling range AA KK QQ JJ even AK even AQ whats that like 3-4% of hands

so out of the 30% that he defends with 26% of those are folds... 26/30 = 86% folding with allot of money in the pot already..not to mention times ur behind and come out ahead by the river

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blindly 4-betting w/o regard to history w/your opponent and game flow is not very good.

[Poker Gestalt]

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150bbs deep

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ah, i stand corrected... what about a 4bet then?

[Unknown Soldier]

i prefer calling this deep + position + decent hand. 4b isnt terrible

[primate]

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Gold dust. But I'm not shoving this preflop.

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i would rather call pf w/ A5s or A4s and 4-bet with A6s-A9s. also folding those some of the time. flop is standard. i really think call >>>>>> shove on the turn. really don't see him folding better and our draws are well disguised and we have position.

[Paul Thomson]

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Gold dust. But I'm not shoving this preflop.

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Since this thread has already been hijacked. The key to Cole's 4-bet post and also the key if u want to bluff 4-bet fold with AXs is that since u have an Ace there's a significantly smaller frequency that the Villain can call a 4-bet.

Think of it this way. Vllain's calling range of a 4-bet is QQ+,AKo+

If hero 4-bets bluff with 56s...Villain can call with a possilbe 34 hands.

If hero 4-bets bluff with A5s...Villain can call with a possible 27 hands.

Therefore Villain will be folding 20% more of the time which is very significant.

[primate]

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Gold dust. But I'm not shoving this preflop.

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Since this thread has already been hijacked. The key to Cole's 4-bet post and also the key if u want to bluff 4-bet fold with AXs is that since u have an Ace there's a significantly smaller frequency that the Villain can call a 4-bet.

Think of it this way. Vllain's calling range of a 4-bet is QQ+,AKo+

If hero 4-bets bluff with 56s...Villain can call with a possilbe 34 hands.

If hero 4-bets bluff with A5s...Villain can call with a possible 27 hands.

Therefore Villain will be folding 20% more of the time which is very significant.

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Its an awesome post and something I will defo incorporate into my game....slowly tho so I don't spew. lol

I think I would be right in saying that according to Cole's theory it would be better to shove w/ Axs than say a middle pocket pair 77,88 even 99.

[Speedlimits]

90% of villains turn betting range is calling a push.

call turn.

pf is way too thin unless you have a ton of history with him 3betting light.

[orange]

cts' 4-betting pf ai w/ axs is a bit outdated imo. i dont really mind the light 4-bet smallish but 4-bet shoving is sortve meh.