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10-31-2007, 07:17 PM
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Re: 200NL KK deep
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i hate 4b against this guy this deep. i'd much rather do it with the extremes of my range before i do it with KK. i hate 4b/folding KK and i can't imagine you arguing for differently with 260bb versus a nit. i like call flop and continue to put the $ in [/ QUOTE ] i'd 4-bet and hope he shoves. stats alone are not enough for me to be scared w/KK pre-flop. and we're only effectively 205bb deep. 
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#13
10-31-2007, 07:26 PM
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Re: 200NL KK deep
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This deep I think not 4betting pre is a crime. Either fold or call, shove doesn't get called by worse. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] give other thoughts than those given by someone else...or shut up [/ QUOTE ] If someone says something correct, I am not going to invent some new [censored] to say just because I like the sound of my [censored] voice in my head as I type. OP might value the fact that there are multiple posters that agree with any given response.
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#14
10-31-2007, 07:32 PM
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Re: 200NL KK deep
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[ QUOTE ] i hate 4b against this guy this deep. i'd much rather do it with the extremes of my range before i do it with KK. i hate 4b/folding KK and i can't imagine you arguing for differently with 260bb versus a nit. i like call flop and continue to put the $ in [/ QUOTE ] i'd 4-bet and hope he shoves. stats alone are not enough for me to be scared w/KK pre-flop. and we're only effectively 205bb deep. [/ QUOTE ] you're looking at the button's stack. the button is not in the hand. i would not tiptoe as much 205bb deep.
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#15
10-31-2007, 07:34 PM
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Re: 200NL KK deep
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i hate 4b against this guy this deep. i'd much rather do it with the extremes of my range before i do it with KK. i hate 4b/folding KK and i can't imagine you arguing for differently with 260bb versus a nit. i like call flop and continue to put the $ in [/ QUOTE ] i'd 4-bet and hope he shoves. stats alone are not enough for me to be scared w/KK pre-flop. and we're only effectively 205bb deep. [/ QUOTE ] you're looking at the button's stack. the button is not in the hand. i would not tiptoe as much 205bb deep. [/ QUOTE ] you're right, i confused BB and BTN. fwiw, i wouldn't consider to start "tiptoeing' until 300bb deep, and even feel weak saying that.
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#16
10-31-2007, 07:38 PM
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Re: 200NL KK deep
my diction is poor nicky.
i think smoothing the raise preflop is the most +ev with KK not simply because i think we shut out action from worse a ton when we 4ball here.
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#17
10-31-2007, 07:39 PM
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Re: 200NL KK deep
fourbet pre, as played call flop. i don't think he's c/ring w/ AA so the only thing he could have that beats us is JJ and I dunno why he would c/r with that. i think his c/r looks very drawy.
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#18
10-31-2007, 08:35 PM
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Re: 200NL KK deep
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fourbet pre, as played call flop. i don't think he's c/ring w/ AA so the only thing he could have that beats us is JJ and I dunno why he would c/r with that. i think his c/r looks very drawy. [/ QUOTE ] FWIW I'm not in the 4bet camp bcz I think that this opponent wasn't going to put his whole stack with AK QQ. After looking back at the hand, I also think AA is not in his range, but JJ could. I agree this could be a big draw also. I was really lost with his c/r and I figured it was strength but maybe it wasn't.
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#19
10-31-2007, 08:37 PM
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Re: 200NL KK deep
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FWIW I'm not in the 4bet camp bcz I think that this opponent wasn't going to put his whole stack with AK QQ. [/ QUOTE ] I am in the 4-bet camp because it's the best way to get money in the pot while we're ahead in the hand.
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