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Old 03-04-2007, 09:05 AM
Lunkan Lunkan is offline
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Default Folding TPTK for one bet on river and not so scary board?

Button is 18/15/1.0
CO is 60/0/0.86

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG (poster) calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Flop: (12 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (8 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Button calls, Hero calls.

River: (20 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero ?
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Old 03-04-2007, 11:21 AM
ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S is offline
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Default Re: Folding TPTK for one bet on river and not so scary board?

no.
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Old 03-04-2007, 12:32 PM
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Default Re: Folding TPTK for one bet on river and not so scary board?

Against 2 villains who this is a little tougher. But not much, honestly.

Unless you can with a good amount of certainty conclude that CO is being trying for the check/raise (and I doubt that you can) there's really no reason to fold TPTK here getting 21:1.
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Old 03-04-2007, 12:48 PM
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Default Re: Folding TPTK for one bet on river and not so scary board?

Meh. Button's got you beat, with two-pair or a set. CO's either got a busted big draw in which case he's not over-calling, or he's got a monster and he's being too tricky and going for the c/r.

So, you're paying one bet to lose to Button or two to lose to CO (possibly paying just one to fold when it's 3-bet back to you). In a 21BB pot, I don't think it matters much, as long as you don't put in more than one bet to showdown.
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Old 03-04-2007, 12:53 PM
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Default Re: Folding TPTK for one bet on river and not so scary board?

You're beat but should call anyway. The pot is huge.
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Old 03-04-2007, 12:54 PM
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drmodern is right
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Old 03-04-2007, 12:56 PM
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Default Re: Folding TPTK for one bet on river and not so scary board?

CALL!

You will often lose but probably not that often. Buttons play does look like TT or a slowplayed AA though...

The real question is if CO checkraises and button just calls do you call for 1 more?
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Old 03-04-2007, 01:05 PM
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Default Re: Folding TPTK for one bet on river and not so scary board?

I think calling the river bet is correct given the pot.

Would anyone justify capping the turn for value?The hero has more than 33% to win the pot,doesn't he?
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Old 03-04-2007, 01:06 PM
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Default Re: Folding TPTK for one bet on river and not so scary board?

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I think calling the river bet is correct given the pot.

Would anyone justify capping the turn for value?The hero has more than 33% to win the pot,doesn't he?

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Do a weighted outs analysis, and you tell us. (I'll admit that I thought about it before I posted.)
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Old 03-04-2007, 02:53 PM
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Default Re: Folding TPTK for one bet on river and not so scary board?

Equity on turn given the hands I put my opponents on.

Hand 0: 22.604% 20.87% 01.73% 4120 342.00 { AsKs }
Hand 1: 35.572% 32.90% 02.67% 6494 528.00 { TT-99, AKs, ATs-A9s, AKo, ATo }
Hand 2: 41.824% 40.88% 00.94% 8070 186.00 { TT-99, 33, ATs, T9s, T3s, ATo, T9o, T3o }
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