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Old 11-18-2007, 05:51 PM
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Default Re: NL100, Party: Discussion about 4betting light preflop

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I make it even smaller. Like $50-52.

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Is that including your initial raise to 7, i.e. your adding 43-45 more? Or are you adding 50-52, making it 57-59?
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Old 11-18-2007, 06:35 PM
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Default Re: NL100, Party: Discussion about 4betting light preflop

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basically i'm going to 4-bet light with hands that have good equity vs his pushing range.

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ok so in the above example where we 4bet to 54 and he shoves, we have to put in 146 more to win 403(ill even let you have the blinds as dead money), meaning we need 36.2% equity to call a shove.

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arent we calling 146 to win 254?

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no you include your call in wat we're winning.

ie. to call a pot size bet u need 33% equity because 30/(30+30+30)
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Old 11-18-2007, 07:06 PM
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Default Re: NL100, Party: Discussion about 4betting light preflop

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basically i'm going to 4-bet light with hands that have good equity vs his pushing range.

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ok so in the above example where we 4bet to 54 and he shoves, we have to put in 146 more to win 403(ill even let you have the blinds as dead money), meaning we need 36.2% equity to call a shove.

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arent we calling 146 to win 254?

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no you include your call in wat we're winning.

ie. to call a pot size bet u need 33% equity because 30/(30+30+30)

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Are you sure? I thought alobar was correct here.
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Old 11-18-2007, 07:09 PM
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Default Re: NL100, Party: Discussion about 4betting light preflop

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basically i'm going to 4-bet light with hands that have good equity vs his pushing range.

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ok so in the above example where we 4bet to 54 and he shoves, we have to put in 146 more to win 403(ill even let you have the blinds as dead money), meaning we need 36.2% equity to call a shove.

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arent we calling 146 to win 254?

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no you include your call in wat we're winning.

ie. to call a pot size bet u need 33% equity because 30/(30+30+30)

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my bad, Im retarded and didnt see that you got the math right. We're just doing the same problem different ways
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Old 11-19-2007, 05:32 AM
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Default Re: NL100, Party: Discussion about 4betting light preflop

Orange will probably ban me for this horrendous spam haha, but i am now offering coaching for 100nl to 400nl (I play 400nl to 5/10nl on party)

I'd love to help some of you SSNL guys build your roll and move up crush 2/4, pm if you're interested [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-21-2007, 03:11 AM
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Default Re: NL100, Party: Discussion about 4betting light preflop

If you raise with AQs and someones 3bets, then it looks like its best to call. If you showdown this hand, how would you adjust your 4bet bluff and your call 3bet strategy after that against the same player (or the whole table)?
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Old 11-21-2007, 03:53 AM
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Default Re: NL100, Party: Discussion about 4betting light preflop

good thread... anyone wanna post some hands?

I dont think i've ever 4-bet light in my career... obviously im missing out on some value... do you think 4-betting light is an absolute necessary weapon to have?
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Old 11-21-2007, 03:57 AM
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Default Re: NL100, Party: Discussion about 4betting light preflop

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do you think 4-betting light is an absolute necessary weapon to have?

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Necessary? Not at all. Profitable? Yes.
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Old 11-21-2007, 04:18 AM
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Default Re: NL100, Party: Discussion about 4betting light preflop

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do you think 4-betting light is an absolute necessary weapon to have?

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Necessary? Not at all. Profitable? Yes.

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those seem pretty synonymous... i guess it was a stupid question [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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