2 pair on board - lowest possible FH

moneyloser · #1 07-24-2007, 04:11 PM

vilain is 54/27/3.5 folded 2/4 flop bet

do you block bet? If you check and he bets what do you do?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($52.05)
MP2 ($35.25)
MP3 ($95.55)
CO ($31.95)
Button ($73.55)
SB ($54.35)
BB ($52.30)
UTG ($71.95)
Hero ($47.95)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $1.5, 5 folds, Hero calls $1.

Flop: ($3.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $2.5, MP2 calls $2.50.

Turn: ($8.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $4, MP2 calls $4.

River: ($16.75) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero ???

Final Pot: $16.75

SABR42 · #2 07-24-2007, 04:21 PM

UGH.

Raise pre-flop.

Pot the flop.

Bet more on the turn.

Check/fold river.

r2me · #3 07-24-2007, 04:22 PM

If villan caught any part of that flop, you are toast. Since the case 9 is not likely, you only beat some big pairs (JJ, QQ & AA), busted nut FD (AQ or AJs?), . MP2 raised PF so it's possible, but this looks like an easy fold.

effang · #4 07-24-2007, 05:11 PM

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vilain is 54/27/3.5 folded 2/4 flop bet

do you block bet? If you check and he bets what do you do?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($52.05)
MP2 ($35.25)
MP3 ($95.55)
CO ($31.95)
Button ($73.55)
SB ($54.35)
BB ($52.30)
UTG ($71.95)
Hero ($47.95)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $1.5, 5 folds, Hero calls $1.

Flop: ($3.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $2.5, MP2 calls $2.50.

Turn: ($8.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $4, MP2 calls $4.

River: ($16.75) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero ???

Final Pot: $16.75

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you played this so bad. i would have c/r the flop, or led out stronger and c/rAI the turn.

moneyloser · #5 07-24-2007, 05:43 PM

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you played this so bad. i would have c/r the flop, or led out stronger and c/rAI the turn.

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Ok, let's say the flop bet is too weak. On the turn my thinking is this : the guy is a real aggressor, the purpose of the weak bet turn is to induce a raise. I have a FH here, I don't want to lead out and see him fold. If I check planning to check raise he might check behind with a draw. If he is actually holding a K he has only 5 out and the weak bet is enough to deny his odds (or like I said inducing a raise). When the K hit that was bad for me but I did c/f, also denying him the implied odds. If this is bad reasoning I'd like you to tell me why

mce86 · #6 07-24-2007, 05:49 PM

We could have check raised anywhere in there. Not sayijng it would have helped, but this aggressive player raised, and you bet right into him twice with a monster hand. I dont understand that line...
Id bet just how you have been....weak. If he raises, fold.

mce86 · #7 07-24-2007, 05:51 PM

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you played this so bad. i would have c/r the flop, or led out stronger and c/rAI the turn.

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Ok, let's say the flop bet is too weak. On the turn my thinking is this : the guy is a real aggressor, the purpose of the weak bet turn is to induce a raise. I have a FH here, I don't want to lead out and see him fold. If I check planning to check raise he might check behind with a draw. If he is actually holding a K he has only 5 out and the weak bet is enough to deny his odds (or like I said inducing a raise). When the K hit that was bad for me but I did c/f, also denying him the implied odds. If this is bad reasoning I'd like you to tell me why

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He is raising everything....why would he have a K? Because he raised? he raises ATC...if he had a king, he would have raised you on the flop.

effang · #8 07-24-2007, 05:58 PM

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you played this so bad. i would have c/r the flop, or led out stronger and c/rAI the turn.

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Ok, let's say the flop bet is too weak. On the turn my thinking is this : the guy is a real aggressor, the purpose of the weak bet turn is to induce a raise. I have a FH here, I don't want to lead out and see him fold. If I check planning to check raise he might check behind with a draw. If he is actually holding a K he has only 5 out and the weak bet is enough to deny his odds (or like I said inducing a raise). When the K hit that was bad for me but I did c/f, also denying him the implied odds. If this is bad reasoning I'd like you to tell me why

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c/f is fine. i'm just saying that against a 52/xx/aggro player, i want all the money in ASAP. and i would bet small or call.

Johnes Benjamin · #9 07-24-2007, 06:05 PM

you don't need to get too fancy against total donks, they will make mistakes anyway. bet more on flop and turn and c/f river to anything substantial.

RyanCMU · #10 07-24-2007, 06:22 PM

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UGH.

Raise pre-flop.

Pot the flop.

Bet more on the turn.

Check/fold river.

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