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Old 06-21-2007, 11:40 AM
Noam Chomsky Noam Chomsky is offline
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Default I play JJ like a girl (one who\'s bad at poker)

So, the only other pot I played against this guy was this one:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($395.50)
CO ($161.70)
Button ($100.35)
SB ($85.50)
Hero ($267.55)
UTG ($110.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, SB completes, Hero raises to $6.5, MP calls $5.50, Button calls $5.50, SB folds.

Flop: ($20.50) K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $14.5, MP folds, Button calls $14.50.

Turn: ($49.50) 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $80, Button calls $79.35 (All-In).

River: ($208.85) 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $208.85

Results in white below:
Hero has Kd As (two pair, kings and sixes).
Button has Jh Ks (two pair, kings and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins $208.85.

On to the hand. Since that pot earlier, he's been sort of in my face a little bit.. I'm running 22/20/4 or something really close to that but I haven't three bet him too much cause for the first 30 hands he was at the table he was showing up as 20/5 or something silly like that. Since then though, his stats have run up to 20/14/1.5 or so, all told I've got about 130 hands on him:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($226.75)
Button ($128.25)
SB ($25.90)
Hero ($529.45)
UTG ($86.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Button raises to $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $14, Button calls $10.

Flop: ($28.50) 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $18, Button calls $18.

Turn: ($64.50) 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($64.50) 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $96.25 (All-In), Hero?

Overall, I absolutely hate my line here and think that against this guy I just should have kept betting. Since I didn't, what's my river action here? Is b/f better? Should I have bet the turn? Like I said, I absolutely hate my line here and am looking for something better.

Seems like his range throughout is pretty darn wide and I really didn't do much to rectify that.
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Old 06-21-2007, 11:41 AM
Noam Chomsky Noam Chomsky is offline
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Please move to ssnl. Thanks!
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Old 06-21-2007, 11:45 AM
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Default Re: I play JJ like a girl (one who\'s bad at poker)

the hand isnīt in ssnl... bet more on the flop. by checking the turn you induce a bluff from villain. as played you prob have to call the river. I would have bet the turnthough which also makes you river decision way easier.
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Old 06-21-2007, 11:55 AM
C4LL4W4Y C4LL4W4Y is offline
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Default Re: I play JJ like a girl (one who\'s bad at poker)

I assume you think your hand is good on the turn, so you're checking for deception?
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Old 06-21-2007, 11:59 AM
mugatu668 mugatu668 is offline
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Default Re: I play JJ like a girl (one who\'s bad at poker)

What are you losing to? Do you have any idea how weak your line looks (he probably puts you on missed overs). the board is also paired... you would have to put him on a set or a 4 to fold...i don't think qq+ is very likely here...
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Old 06-21-2007, 12:15 PM
bigkeenanh bigkeenanh is offline
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Default Re: I play JJ like a girl (one who\'s bad at poker)

Agreed with Muga. I'm no expert, but this looks to me like float/underpair
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Old 06-21-2007, 12:23 PM
Noam Chomsky Noam Chomsky is offline
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Default Re: I play JJ like a girl (one who\'s bad at poker)

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What are you losing to? Do you have any idea how weak your line looks (he probably puts you on missed overs). the board is also paired... you would have to put him on a set or a 4 to fold...i don't think qq+ is very likely here...

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I know exactly what my hand looks like. The question then becomes, why overbet shove the river to fold out a hand that likely isn't calling anything?
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Old 06-21-2007, 12:25 PM
Noam Chomsky Noam Chomsky is offline
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Default Re: I play JJ like a girl (one who\'s bad at poker)

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I assume you think your hand is good on the turn, so you're checking for deception?

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On the turn I think my hand is good a pretty high percentage of the time, yes.
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Old 06-21-2007, 12:28 PM
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Default Re: I play JJ like a girl (one who\'s bad at poker)

so why should this be so difficult? Either bet turn or call ricer. that easy.
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Old 06-21-2007, 12:40 PM
Noam Chomsky Noam Chomsky is offline
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Default Re: I play JJ like a girl (one who\'s bad at poker)

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so why should this be so difficult? Either bet turn or call ricer. that easy.

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Great! Thanks!!! Quick question, what worse hand do I expect him to turn up with after his overbet shove for 100 more bb's on the river? What's his range on the flop? What's his range for a check behind on the turn which then bombs the hell out of the river?

Before you answer, just be sure to include some reasoning as to why he wouldn't just bet $50 or something if he were bluffing rather than his whole stack.

In the meantime, sorry for clogging up the micro stakes forum with worthless drivel and stupid, easy questions. Thanks!!!
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