How is this an autocall?

Rojosox · #1 10-15-2006, 05:50 PM

PokerStars Game #6645786240: Tournament #33779843, $210+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2006/10/15 - 17:47:01 (ET)
Table '33779843 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 2: bigwinner111 (5900 in chips)
Seat 5: bigjoe2003 (1671 in chips)
Seat 7: curtains (4294 in chips)
Seat 8: pixies22 (1635 in chips)
bigwinner111: posts the ante 25
bigjoe2003: posts the ante 25
curtains: posts the ante 25
pixies22: posts the ante 25
bigjoe2003: posts small blind 200
curtains: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
pixies22: folds
bigwinner111: folds
bigjoe2003: raises 1246 to 1646 and is all-in
curtains: calls 1246
*** FLOP *** [Kd Ks 5h]
*** TURN *** [Kd Ks 5h] [7h]
*** RIVER *** [Kd Ks 5h 7h] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bigjoe2003: shows [5c Qh] (two pair, Kings and Fives)
curtains: shows [Td 6d] (a pair of Kings)
bigjoe2003 collected 3392 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3392 | Rake 0
Board [Kd Ks 5h 7h 2c]
Seat 2: bigwinner111 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: bigjoe2003 (small blind) showed [5c Qh] and won (3392) with two pair, Kings and Fives
Seat 7: curtains (big blind) showed [Td 6d] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 8: pixies22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

getting near 2 to 1 BUT you is this really +EV?

I'm just watching SNGs on stars to scout out the play. Everyone pushes AND CALLS with the most insane hands.

-Jared

citanul · #2 10-15-2006, 05:56 PM

jared,

at all stakes on stars, the norm appears to be:

3 bet all in stupidly light
"stars regulars" don't call enough on those 3 bets
limp to trap a pusher with all small pairs
pushing stupidly wide ranges
calling stupidly wide ranges

i'm sure there's more but yeah, your scouting is fine. i hvaen't checked to see if curtains' call is bad or good (he's usually right?), but i'm sure you've realized already that curtains and joe aren't the guys who are making the colossal blunders out there.

pokerraja · #3 10-15-2006, 06:02 PM

this site is nuts. the sngs play so much different that partypoker. i see so many bad calls. every one calls calls calls. im not talking about this particular hand. who knows what curtains is thinking here.

Bonafone · #4 10-15-2006, 06:02 PM

if bigjoe is pushing something like 75% or more this is a call. plus metagame. ship it

curtains · #5 10-15-2006, 06:04 PM

Didnt know if it was +EV but I want to make some loose calls against regulars quite a bit. Thought it might be kinda close anyway.

ALReturnsLOL · #6 10-15-2006, 06:06 PM

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Didnt know if it was +EV but I want to make some loose calls against regulars quite a bit. Thought it might be kinda close anyway.

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Aren't you afraid of loose calls in return?

curtains · #7 10-15-2006, 06:07 PM

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Didnt know if it was +EV but I want to make some loose calls against regulars quite a bit. Thought it might be kinda close anyway.

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Aren't you afraid of loose calls in return?

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Why would someone call loose because I call loose? If I push all the time then they should do so. I also thought there was a chance it would be +EV against his range, which I thought COULD be close to 100%.

Anyway I don't push 100% in spots where other regulars seem to so they would be maknig more of an error by making light calls against me, if I am correct on my estimate of their pushing ranges compared to mine.

ALReturnsLOL · #8 10-15-2006, 06:11 PM

I dunno, I was sweating some of these games and I remember that a regular made a loose call on Big Joe and he was pretty upset about it, he said that the favor would be returned. Not sure if this applies to you or not though.

curtains · #9 10-15-2006, 06:13 PM

I dont care at all really

citanul · #10 10-15-2006, 06:15 PM

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Why would someone call loose because I call loose? If I push all the time then they should do so.

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you're not retarded are you? if you are making mistakes purposefully to do things to your opponents, the good ones are sometimes going to do the same things too. this is in the nature of sngs where your mistakes are costing you both money. clearly in a cash game unless the villain was a moron they would just sit there and watch you (make you) go broke. in sngs they want to remind you that you're a douchebag who's costing everyone money. this isn't to say that the spite call doesn't have a place, it's to say that expecting them not to be returned is silly.

citanul