3 Bet pot with straight draw - Page 3

Profish2285 · #21 10-21-2007, 10:53 PM

Chargers, I am curious why you think that. So b/c I do not donk almost ever and b/c I 3 bet hands pf that the majority do not, I dont think about my plays? Thats a pretty insulting comment. As far as not knowing what I do why I do, if you read my post about not donking, I state that I feel it is the wrong play there as it brings the wrong results (better hands raising, worse hands folding). As far as 3-betting light, again I know why I do it. First off, I am more likely to get paid off by someone who pays attention to me, I am also going to be picking up pots off people who were trying to steal or who have hands better than mine but are still marginal eg: A9, and lastly, I can get paid off in more spots than I would have by 3 betting AK and QQ+ only. So thank you for assuming I dont know anything, but I do, just trying to see what the consensus is here with different hands and debate them, I thought that was the goal.

SoCalQuest · #22 10-21-2007, 11:52 PM

Why would you bet here? You have very little fold equity considering he called two bets already. I don't see villain folding often here.

Profish2285 · #23 10-21-2007, 11:54 PM

Well I would bet to push him off a pair other than a king, and so that if he does push, I can call as I priced myself in, and if he just calls, then I dictated the size of the bet on the turn. I do not expect him to fold a king here obviously, but I think it is reasonable to see a pair of tens or jj or qq fold here. I know that many players will call one bet on the flop with a hand like qq or jj on this board and then fold the turn to further aggression.

SoCalQuest · #24 10-22-2007, 12:00 AM

Sure, he may fold JJ, QQ etc. However, his range is heavily skewed towards a king given the action. You are basically sticking it in here on the turn with a 20% chance to win. You are not getting enough folds here to make it close, this is really -ev.

Profish2285 · #25 10-22-2007, 12:02 AM

I dont have pokerstove, could you put in a reasonable range for him here and see how -ev it is?

Altreg · #26 10-22-2007, 12:31 AM

Anyone who says this is dumb move from profish,should start think out of the box sometime.
I can see reason why he 3bet pf Q/J
And for this reason i think allin on the turn its not bad and ev+ option(btw i think u at worsth 1/4.5 underdog here)

Profish2285 · #27 10-22-2007, 12:33 AM

Maybe I am just being results oriented and I am running well, but I bet again on the turn and he mucked. I guess he got lucky as this will not happen too often as most of you say, but I cant see this as being terrible with outs to fall back on.

SoCalQuest · #28 10-22-2007, 12:36 AM

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Anyone who says this is dumb move from profish,should start think out of the box sometime.
I can see reason why he 3bet pf Q/J
And for this reason i think allin on the turn its not bad and ev+ option(btw i think u at worsth 1/4.5 underdog here)

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As far as I'm concerned, three betting a hand oop when villain's calling range often leaves us dominated is the wrong kind of thinking outside of the box.

Profish2285 · #29 10-22-2007, 12:40 AM

Yes, IF we get called here his range is obviously ahead of us. But take into account the times he does not call pf and the times he has a hand like AQ, KQ, or AK and has to fold to my c-bet and this hand becomes alot closer than people think at first I feel.

traz · #30 10-22-2007, 12:41 AM

3betting pf and firing 2 barrels on this board is complete spew against a random opponent at this level