25NL: donkish or ok?

thenewnoise · #1 07-24-2007, 12:57 AM

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($61)
Button ($25.90)
SB ($81.75)
Hero ($23.45)
UTG ($7.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: ($0.85) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $0.85, MP folds, Button raises to $3.5, Hero raises to $12.2, Button raises to $29.15 (All-In), Hero calls $11.85 (All-In).

Turn: ($48.95) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($48.95) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $48.96

vixticator · #2 07-24-2007, 01:01 AM

I can't put button on a hand. So, I'd play for stacks with two pair here.

Xanta · #3 07-24-2007, 01:01 AM

Any reads? Since the flop is so dry, people are going to have trouble stacking off with one pair here, which is the only thing that you beat. I'm not so sure that 3betting is good here, he just doesn't call with worse often enough (maybe an incorrect assumption at 25NL, haven't played there in a while)

An alternate line might be just calling the flop raise and going for a check/raise all in on the turn, to make it harder for him to get away from his ace.

thenewnoise · #4 07-24-2007, 01:03 AM

No reads i wasn't at the table long

Xanta · #5 07-24-2007, 01:04 AM

vix, while it's a narrow range, 77, A7 and K7 are all reasonable hands for button to have.

Scrubbo · #6 07-24-2007, 01:07 AM

i can't think of a hand that you're beating here
as xanta said i think a7, 77, k7 are the most likely plus maybe limped aces because some people at these levels love to do that.

thenewnoise · #7 07-24-2007, 01:09 AM

So should i have folded when he raises to 3.50 on the flop? If I just call then what am i supposed to do on the turn? Its very unlikely that i will improve.

vixticator · #8 07-24-2007, 01:11 AM

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vix, while it's a narrow range, 77, A7 and K7 are all reasonable hands for button to have.

[/ QUOTE ]A7 seems to be most likely, AA/KK is getting slowplayed on this flop like always. But, I expect to see AJ/AT/A9 too. I don't give opponents much credit readless when I am strong, so I will felt when a limper goes crazy on this flop. I'll kind of hate it when he has the best of it but I'm losing most of my stack calling down either way...

Xanta · #9 07-24-2007, 01:21 AM

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So should i have folded when he raises to 3.50 on the flop? If I just call then what am i supposed to do on the turn? Its very unlikely that i will improve.

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Here's a very very important distinction that makes all the difference in this hand.

Your hand is on average better than the hands that he raises with.
Your hand is on average worse than the hands he calls a 3bet with.

Do you see why calling is best now?

gedanken · #10 07-24-2007, 01:23 AM

Maybe it's just me, but I hate 2pair at no limit. I always seem to lose a lot of money with it. Bottom 2, especially. I just want to fold when I see it.

Of course, that's a little nitty. But you've seen a free flop, could have what you represent, and button doesn't care. That makes it a clear fold, maybe as soon as his first raise, but certainly at the all-in.

Would a flop checkraise be more productive? We get more value when we're ahead, and can be more sure we're beat when we get 3bet.