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Old 12-01-2007, 09:29 PM
The Eureka Kid The Eureka Kid is offline
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Default 200NL - Flopped Set Shoved Into On River By Calling Station

<font color="green">Villain is 29/11/0.9 over 350 hands and seems to be your pretty standard calling station.</font>

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 7 Players
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SB: $223.40
BB: $183.90
UTG: $147.40
UTG+1: $244.65
MP: $192.65
Hero (CO): $278.90
BTN: $198.75

Pre-Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $6

Flop: ($17) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $12</font>, BB calls $12

Turn: ($41) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $32</font>, BB calls $32

River: ($105) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $131.90 and is All-In</font>, Hero ????

<font color="green">Should I be finding a fold here given his aggression stats? Just feels really scary when the flush hits, 4 card straight is out and a calling station suddenly wants to shove his chips in. I appreciate your thoughts...</font>
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:26 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Flopped Set Shoved Into On River By Calling Station

I would fold. Why? You already said the reasons - 4 card straight, passive station, backdoor FD.
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:32 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Flopped Set Shoved Into On River By Calling Station

.9 isn't superpassive given 29VPIP, its not really aggro either(then again 350hands is a weak sample)

its close, better reads help a bunch in these spots
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:38 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Flopped Set Shoved Into On River By Calling Station

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.9 isn't superpassive given 29VPIP, its not really aggro either(then again 350hands is a weak sample)


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Hmmm. AF depends on VPIP?

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its close, better reads help a bunch in these spots

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I can't believe that passive villain shoving without straight here and I think calling with any four is a quite close.
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:41 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Flopped Set Shoved Into On River By Calling Station

looks like an easy fold to me
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:50 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Flopped Set Shoved Into On River By Calling Station

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Hmmm. AF depends on VPIP?

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well its relative

if you play 100% of your hands, a massive amount of the time you will have no pair no draw, a gutshot, 3rd pair type hands

if you still have a 1.5AF you are betting [censored] hands very often

conversly if you only play 1% of your hands(aka AA/KK) you will almost always have a strong hand, so having a high AF is standard in that spot

as you get away from the extremes it levels out some, just realize that someone playing 20/16/3 is massively more aggro than a 9/6/3 player

a 30/11/1 is more aggro than a 10/2/1 player etc

the more hands you play the weaker your average hand becomes(its tough to make strong hands in HE) you can't look at it through your eyes, I have a 2.5AF(vpip12) and am pretty aggro, but not crazy aggro, this guy has 40% the AF I do he's very passive
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:54 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Flopped Set Shoved Into On River By Calling Station

Thanks, I got it. And Eureka sorry for offtopic.
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:13 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Flopped Set Shoved Into On River By Calling Station

fold and stuff
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