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#11
09-06-2007, 09:16 PM
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Re: ATo 3-flush board HU
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I would be up for hearing more definition as to why second pair is a pretty good hand. You would take this to showdown? [/ QUOTE ] i guess you don't play in games where heads-up spots become relevant in 10c-20c games this isn't much of a mistake because it doesn't happen enough to matter (and showdown pots are large enough to compensate) ... but if you are in a game where this happens more times that not - it's time to put on your thinking cap 
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#12
09-06-2007, 09:47 PM
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Re: ATo 3-flush board HU
Aceium,
Most flops do not hit most hands. So when you're heads up, it's likely that your opponent has not hit his hand. The same is true from the villain's point of view -- this flop likely did not hit your hand either. Villain may have raised preflop with a pocket pair or something like AJo, and you could have called with a wide range of hands out of the BB. Thus he will likely think his AJo is still the best hand and bet again. Folding to that bet, when we have middle pair, would be a mistake. As I said in my original post, my hand is good against 50% of villains range. That was calculated by going through each hand in his range. For example, there are 12 posible AK combinations which I am now ahead of, and 9 possible AQ combinations which I am now behind. Add them all up and I'm 50/50, if you agree with my range. Since the pot will be 5 SB to my 1, I have to at least call a flop bet.
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#13
09-06-2007, 09:49 PM
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Re: ATo 3-flush board HU
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I would be up for hearing more definition as to why second pair is a pretty good hand. You would take this to showdown? [/ QUOTE ] If it's heads up, he only flops a pair 1/3 of the time and could've missed or have an underpair like 99. CRMenace said: [ QUOTE ] I did some number crunching off line, and we are pretty close to 50% against a 99+, ATs+, AJo+, KQs pfr range. [/ QUOTE ] which is another reason I don't want to fold right away. I'm not showdown bound yet on the flop, but I at least want to see a turn where I'll make another decision which could include c/f, c/c, c/r, or b/f depending on what comes off.
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#14
09-06-2007, 10:21 PM
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Re: ATo 3-flush board HU
Okay I'll post the turn to keep things going:
PokerStars 1/2 Hold'em (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero calls. Flop: (4.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (3.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero???
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#16
09-06-2007, 11:24 PM
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Re: ATo 3-flush board HU
i am usually wrong in these spots, but i say bet the blank on the turn. keeps utg from getting a free card if he hasn't made his flush yet.
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#17
09-06-2007, 11:27 PM
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Re: ATo 3-flush board HU
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i am usually wrong in these spots, but i say bet the blank on the turn. keeps utg from getting a free card if he hasn't made his flush yet. [/ QUOTE ] aggressive player can still raise you ... what then?
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#18
09-06-2007, 11:30 PM
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Re: ATo 3-flush board HU
couldn't i assume he had made his flush then and fold, or would an aggro raise that turn on a draw?
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#19
09-06-2007, 11:36 PM
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Re: ATo 3-flush board HU
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couldn't i assume he had made his flush then and fold, or would/could an aggro raise that turn on a draw? [/ QUOTE ] that's what i'm saying ... easy fold equity + OK draw ... with something like a small/mid pocket with suite
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#20
09-06-2007, 11:36 PM
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Re: ATo 3-flush board HU
*Grunch*
In this situation I would check/fold the flop. He could have made his flush already and you would be drawing virtually dead at this point. If he has not made his flush there is a good chance if he holds any kind of club that he will make it by the river. With this small of a pot, heads up against a UTG pre-flop raiser its safe to assume he has a fairly strong holding. IMO you'd be paying the maximum to win the minimum in this situation.
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