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Old 09-05-2007, 06:00 AM
hirschi hirschi is offline
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Default easy fold? (15+1 bubble)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG (t6020)
Hero (t2780)
SB (t3440)
BB (t1260)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t1200</font>,

sngegt tells me its +2,1% ev to push- but i think it do not eveluate the utg raise?!!
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Old 09-05-2007, 08:32 AM
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Default Re: easy fold? (15+1 bubble)

I push this instantly. UTG is the big stack, his range is wide. His raise of 6BB shows he doesn't really want to play the pot. I think you will be shown small pairs and hands like A8 a lot. Folding is way too nitty.
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Old 09-05-2007, 09:16 AM
hirschi hirschi is offline
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Default Re: easy fold? (15+1 bubble)

thats what i thought also. i pushed and he showed AQ - i lost.
i thing i ll fold this spot next time. im big enough to find other spots and dondt have to fight against the bigger stack.
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Old 09-05-2007, 09:20 AM
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Need a read on UTG, probably a fold.
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Old 09-05-2007, 09:21 AM
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Default Re: easy fold? (15+1 bubble)

Don't post results so quickly! Edit them out please, you'll receive better (more unbiased) advice if you do.

Whether or not to shove over here depends on reads on UTG. You have very little fold equity here because of the pot odds that UTG has here. Has he/she been raising every hand from every position? If so, I probably shove over. If he/she has been tight then I definitely fold this.
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Old 09-05-2007, 09:23 AM
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Default Re: easy fold? (15+1 bubble)

OP,

your reasonning seems VERY result oriented and that can't be good.

Reads could change this but here JJ is crushing his range and you probably have a bit of FE.
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Old 09-05-2007, 09:33 AM
TruFloridaGator TruFloridaGator is offline
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Default Re: easy fold? (15+1 bubble)

Here are some raise call ranges, what he would have to call with if he is opening to make it a good shove:

Open 25/Call 15
Open 20/Call 11
Open 15/Call 6

If he is opening any less than that you can't shove.
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Old 09-05-2007, 10:16 AM
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I shove this. Shorty isn't that short and you still have FE.
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Old 09-05-2007, 11:48 AM
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I fail to see how we have the necessary FE to make this a shove minus some absurd opening range from Villain.
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Old 09-05-2007, 12:00 PM
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Default Re: easy fold? (15+1 bubble)

sorry my english sux sometimes. that means? u usualy fold this hand? i saw him making bad moves like raising bad hands- but i also saw him calling a push to his raise for sure. so i feel like its a better play to fold, couse no FE and mayb flipping
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