Common spot i suck at

[Astyanax]

Wooo! I think the same as shaun [censored] deeb

[aislephive]

With these stacks I'd just c/f this flop, or c/shove. If we had a decent stack I would b/f this flop vs most villains.

[Astyanax]

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check/shove



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oops maybe I don't, I suck...surely it is split between check/folding and check/raising and shoving all over bet/folding...

[registrar]

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I thought this was a spot where they always have AA/KK given stacks. Or is that only when we know villain is good?

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Given our stack, I don't think flatting KK+ is all that clever - we're never folding pre but it's clear from this thread that we might post.

[kutuz_off]

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check/shove

It is better then bet/calling because it gets more value from his lesser pairs.

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I like it, but I think this works better in $320 and $1K than in $109fo.

[whynot?]

So we either shove and hope to prompt worse hands to call or we play it to represent the king. I personally would do my best to rep the king - I think a c/c on the turn and a lead on the turn reps the king the best - no?

[Astyanax]

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So we either shove and hope to prompt worse hands to call or we play it to represent the king. I personally would do my best to rep the king - I think a c/c on the turn and a lead on the turn reps the king the best - no?

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Why would we try to rep the king? Are we now trying to get aces to fold lolol? Or are we trying to not induce a bluff which we can't call - with that logic we bet/check to induce the shove... No worse hand is calling either - fact.

I would love an explanation detailing why they would check/fold over check/shove over shove as they seem pretty even to me....

[whynot?]

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So we either shove and hope to prompt worse hands to call or we play it to represent the king. I personally would do my best to rep the king - I think a c/c on the turn and a lead on the turn reps the king the best - no?

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Why would we try to rep the king? Are we now trying to get aces to fold lolol? Or are we trying to not induce a bluff which we can't call - with that logic we bet/check to induce the shove... No worse hand is calling either - fact.

I would love an explanation detailing why they would check/fold over check/shove over shove as they seem pretty even to me....

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You dont think the best way to get Aq, jj, maybe qjs to fold is to call the flop and lead the turn? I think thats the strongest line.

shoving the flop allows villain to play perfectly imo - may be ok as picking up the chips may be worth it.

check shoving looks a bit scared too and i think gets a call from a q most times and almost certainly folds out hands we're ahead of.

the check/call/lead is how many would play a king and gives us the best chance to fold out worse hands. i certainly could be and have been wrong, but i think the only way you are going to get called by worse is by shoving the flop, if you dont do that you need to play it to show the most strength and maxing FE.

tell me where my logic is messed up pls

[Bond18]

Considering nobody seems in agreement, guess i'm not alone in thinking this is tough.

[Jurollo]

C/Shove or C/Fold, I don't like leading here