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Old 07-03-2007, 11:38 PM
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Default Reducing the amount of luck in poker

This topic was brought up a while back on the Sklansky forum but didn't get much discussion... I would really be interesting in hearing what more people have to say about this.

Why couldn't poker be played so that whenever all remaining players in a hand are all-in, the pot would get split according to the showdown probabilities, without even dealing the rest of the cards?

Obviously this wouldn't work in tournaments since no one would ever get eliminated, but for no-limit and pot-limit cash games I would love to play in a game like that. Correct plays would be rewarded and terrible plays would be punished much more consistently. There is nothing in poker I hate more than playing a smart game all night long and end up losing repeatedly to players chasing gutshots or rivering two pair.

Some of the comments in the other thread include "this would ruin poker forever"... how? I don't see how this affects the game very much at all. The gameplay is the same, the EV of each play is the same... the only difference is that variance is less of a factor and the "long run" comes much sooner.

Another person said "The game would basically come down to getting dealt a certain percentage of hands, and pushing pre-flop with them only. This wouldn't even be poker." Completely incorrect... there is no reason the game would change at all. Why would you start folding 95% of your hands, and pushing with the other 5% just to pick up the blinds? Makes no sense.

There are only a couple of real potential changes I see... first would be that the terrible players would figure out that shoving on the flop with a straight or flush draw is unprofitable. Second would be that due to the lack of bad beats, tilting would happen less often.

I personally play rarely right now, due to the fact that a string of bad beats makes me feel like I never want to play poker anymore. I doubt I'm the only one who would come back if there was a table like this around.

So what do you all think about this? Would you want to play at a table where all-in hands are decided by the odds when the play was made?
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Old 07-03-2007, 11:45 PM
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Default Re: Reducing the amount of luck in poker

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There are only a couple of real potential changes I see... first would be that the terrible players would figure out that shoving on the flop with a straight or flush draw is unprofitable.

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Players no longer doing that is horrible for poker ldo. Sometimes shoving there is profitable anyway. You most likely don't like poker b/c you're horrible at it.

grow a sac and take your beats like a man.
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Old 07-03-2007, 11:47 PM
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Default Re: Reducing the amount of luck in poker

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variance is less of a factor and the "long run" comes much sooner.

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fish only play cause they have a chance to get lucky and win big any one night

if you take away variance and make them win according to the strengths of their hands, they wouldn't want to play

fish play cause they can sometimes score big with bad play

it's like you're not going to play chess if you lose constantly, but if you randomly win every 3 or 4th time you'll play more even if your up against competition you can't beat

same reason fish play poker

in short, you have a horrible idea

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terrible players would figure out that shoving on the flop with a straight or flush draw is unprofitable.

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plz tell me why terrible players figuring out that making -EV plays is not profitable would any way shape or form help you? how on earth would this help?

bad players would now start to play well? wow... geez... that's exactly what i want... lol... NOT!

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Second would be that due to the lack of bad beats, tilting would happen less often.

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once again... you profit when your opponents tilt

if you want to play against better players, move up to where they respect your raises LDO
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Old 07-03-2007, 11:49 PM
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Default Re: Reducing the amount of luck in poker

wtf man, alot of people play poker to gamble. And when people are stuck they can start getting it in with sub par hands to try and get even.

reducing the luck would eliminate both these things. just deal with the variance
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Old 07-03-2007, 11:58 PM
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Default Re: Reducing the amount of luck in poker

I think you are on to something sir. I can see the future of poker now:

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $10/$20 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB posts a blind of $10
BB posts a blind of $20

SB is dealt face-up A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
BB is dealt face-up 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG is dealt face-up A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
BTN is dealt face-up 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

$30 pot to be split by equity:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.877% 33.36% 01.52% 362301 16466.00 { AsQs }
Hand 1: 22.354% 22.28% 00.07% 241984 778.00 { 7h4c }
Hand 2: 12.092% 10.58% 01.52% 114855 16466.00 { Ad2s }
Hand 3: 30.677% 30.61% 00.07% 332380 778.00 { Jh9s }

Pay the rake, chop it up, move the button, next hand, weeeeeeee...
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Old 07-04-2007, 12:03 AM
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Default Re: Reducing the amount of luck in poker

wtf. im lost with this post.
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Old 07-04-2007, 12:05 AM
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Default Re: Reducing the amount of luck in poker

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wtf. im lost with this post.

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maybe OP is Sklansky's gimmick account
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Old 07-04-2007, 02:49 AM
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Default Re: Reducing the amount of luck in poker

Yes great idea. But why limit this to only poker. Lets introduce this to roulette to!Imagine all the players running to the casino to play fair roulette. This could be great fun.
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Old 07-04-2007, 02:58 AM
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...so you don't like gambling. What possessed you to start playing poker?
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Old 07-04-2007, 02:59 AM
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Yes great idea. But why limit this to only poker. Lets introduce this to roulette to!Imagine all the players running to the casino to play fair roulette. This could be great fun.

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i mean why even have the roulette table, why don't you just give the casino a $20 every five minutes, and they can bring you a Keystone every 1/2 hour and chicken wings every hour?
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