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#11
03-16-2007, 02:22 PM
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Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...
If I were the villain I would have 88-JJ here every time.
With 18bbs and a very active table this is the perfect spot to go for a limp-shove with a mid pair. The fact that people are willing to consider folding QQ to your limp-shove makes it that much better of a play. Because of this, I instacall with QQ in your spot however I am not surprised the times that he turns over AA. 
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#12
03-16-2007, 02:28 PM
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Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...
Right, at an active table w/ 88-jj shouldn't I expect a call from QQ or JJ-99 even? So why would I shove w/ 88-jj at an active table? You make a good point but if I'm villain and the table is active I shouldn't expect QQ to lay down.
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#14
03-16-2007, 02:59 PM
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Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...
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What is more important to you the $ or the win? [/ QUOTE ] Assume that I'm adequately bankrolled and am looking to take the +$EV choice.
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#15
03-16-2007, 03:02 PM
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Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...
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If I were the villain I would have 88-JJ here every time. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly, but I'm giving you credit for being a better, more experienced player than this guy. Don't get me wrong, I think he played well, but I looked up his pokerdb as the final table started and it is evident that this player is not an experienced tournament player, at least not at Full Tilt. I think this is a great play if he has a middle pair type hand by the way.
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#16
03-16-2007, 03:08 PM
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Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...
If UTG is Savvy he must believe that you would call at this point with only AA-JJ, and maybe AKs or 10,10. If he is on like JJ-88 as Cornell suggests he must be thinking you are stealing in late position? Does he have any reason to believe you are stealing? Is he savvy? I don't know. If the answer to Q 1 is yes then call. If the answer to Q 2 is yes then fold.
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#17
03-16-2007, 03:59 PM
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Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...
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If I were the villain I would have 88-JJ here every time. With 18bbs and a very active table this is the perfect spot to go for a limp-shove with a mid pair. [/ QUOTE ] the very active table as described by the poster is also the ideal scenario for limping a monster pf from utg. that being said there are many more non AA,KK hands he could do this with, so i cannot fold. it is the perfect spot for a limp w/AA,KK, though...... by the way... is that joint "the nines" still open in ithaca ???
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#18
03-16-2007, 04:55 PM
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Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...
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If I were the villain I would have 88-JJ here every time. With 18bbs and a very active table this is the perfect spot to go for a limp-shove with a mid pair. The fact that people are willing to consider folding QQ to your limp-shove makes it that much better of a play. Because of this, I instacall with QQ in your spot however I am not surprised the times that he turns over AA. [/ QUOTE ] With 18xBB, this is a reasonable way to play any hand 99+, AQ+. Also, villain could have played a smaller pp for a set and went to plan B. Not everyone knows to do this or likes to play this way. Villain has AA/KK maybe 40% of the time. However, you have pot odds to call.
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#19
03-16-2007, 10:21 PM
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Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...
At a final table I have seen this done with TT+, AK.
However it is short handed which could mean his range could be this wide. Although given that he has a big stack and he is going up against the only player who can knock him out I think it would be really foolish to do this with less than QQ+, AK. However it really depends on how much you have been raising and how tight he is. If he expects you to open with a wide range then he may well do this with TT expecting you to fold a large majority of the time, also if a lot of raises are going to the flop then the same will apply. To be honest though in general his range is well ahead of you so its a pot odds v. prize structure question. If you lose you are crippled and $500 is looking good if you fold you still have the ability to steal liberally and with 3 steals you will have more than made up for this.
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#20
03-16-2007, 10:28 PM
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Re: The limp-raise all in? What\'s his range here? Final table...
If you want to win the tournament you should call no doubt.
1.7+ to 1 pot odds. Even against KK+,AK you are good. With AK part of his range, I think it definately has to be you only need 1.5 to 1. If you want to come 2nd,3rd and possibly win then fold. Pretty sure its that simple.
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