Guys not showing both cards, flipping cards onto community cards.

[TomBrooks]

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Technically you have a right to see the winning hand and they should be showing both cards (and at a casino it would be mandatory) but you're in a friendly home game so your argument may not have a lot of sway with your fellow players. You should find out their motivation for playing before insisting on following all poker rules to the letter. Lots of home game players just want to hang out with their buds and drink, joke around, and gambool in that order.

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Hi Rottersod,

It's my nature to be a stickler for rules in any kind of game. That's just the way I like to play games--I think adhering to the "official" structure of a game usually makes it better.

A friendly poker game is probably not the right venue to sweat the details though, and especially since I'm a newbie when it comes to playing live. I'll just lighten up and go with the flow. Maybe I'll mention something during the course of play without being insistant or making a big deal about it.

[Small Fry]

Think of it this way - If the other guy folds you don't need to show any cards. So if you show one and he folds you're good.

But, players flipping cards around and/ or getting fancy in what / how they show just leads to confusion and eventually trouble. Contrary to what some might have you believe it is possible to follow rules and still have a good time. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

I would try to explain that if they continue to persist with their actions that it might lead to problems down the road (splashing the pot is another problematic area. No need to be a total nit about it, but just try to reign in the chaos. If there is a defacto leader it will help to have him on your side so maybe address this with him individually as he will be the one everyone looks to for a ruling when the crap hits the fan.

[Wongboy]

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I understand that if someone only shows one card and the other player wants to see both cards before mucking, the first player must show both. But what happens if someone shows one card, the other guy mucks? Doesn't the first guy who mucks forfeit his claim to the pot?

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Yes that is correct. The guy who mucks forfeits the pot AND his right to see both cards.

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Consider the following situation:
The board is AAQQ4. Player A tables JJ. Player B shows just an Ace. Player A then says "nice hand" and mucks his cards followed by Player B mucking his cards.

Technically Player A should win the pot since he was the only player to table a valid hand. This would be a douche move by Player A, however.

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Technically Player A should win the pot since he was the only player to table a valid hand. This would be a douche move by Player A, however.

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Technically Player B should win the pot in your example, as Player B was the only person left with a valid hand. This trumps any tabling. What would be a douche move is if A said "nice hand", B mucked first, and then A claimed the pot. Some rooms would give it to him, too.

[Wongboy]

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Technically Player A should win the pot since he was the only player to table a valid hand. This would be a douche move by Player A, however.

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Technically Player B should win the pot in your example, as Player B was the only person left with a valid hand. This trumps any tabling. What would be a douche move is if A said "nice hand", B mucked first, and then A claimed the pot. Some rooms would give it to him, too.

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Agree with the douche move part (actually more of an ultra-douche move).

In my hypothetical, both players muck their cards. The difference is that Player A tables his hand first, and then mucks, while B never tables his hand before mucking. By tabling his cards, A laid claim to the pot. B never made such a claim.