Need Rebuy Guidelines For a Ring Game

[miajag]

We do a set buyin of $100 (.50/1 NL) and if you drop below 50 you can rebuy (or "top off") up to $100. Seems to work pretty well because you don't have people constantly topping off for like 10 bucks but you also avoid getting stuck with a short stack (or stuck with a bunch of short stacked opponents).

[TomBrooks]

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[Re: Rabbit Hunting] I want them to see that their gutshot would have come so that they call my PSB next time.

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But more often than not they'll see that their gutshot wouldn't have come in and recieve reinforcement for the fold... I'd rather leave them thinking "if it came in I'd have made $$$, maybe I shoulda called".

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Interesting sidebar. Rabbit hunting, a player would of course over time see the gutshot come out about 1 time in 11.5 (4 in 46) from the turn or about 1 time in 5.1 from the flop. So I wonder if they would be able to use that information to reinforce their decision to make the correct play, or if the weak player will employ selective memory to mostly remember the times it comes in and tend to forget the times is misses? Anyway, rabbit hunting slows down the game, so in that respect it is disadvantagous to the good player.

[crackerjack]

here's what we do in our home game and it works out very well...
We stack up beside the banker about $1000 woth of chips in stacks of 20's nad it takes 2 seconds to give someone their reload when they need it.

[maryfield48]

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[Re: Rabbit Hunting] I want them to see that their gutshot would have come so that they call my PSB next time.

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But more often than not they'll see that their gutshot wouldn't have come in and recieve reinforcement for the fold... I'd rather leave them thinking "if it came in I'd have made $$$, maybe I shoulda called".

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Interesting sidebar. Rabbit hunting, a player would of course over time see the gutshot come out about 1 time in 11.5 (4 in 46) from the turn or about 1 time in 5.1 from the flop. So I wonder if they would be able to use that information to reinforce their decision to make the correct play, or if the weak player will employ selective memory to mostly remember the times it comes in and tend to forget the times is misses? Anyway, rabbit hunting slows down the game, so in that respect it is disadvantagous to the good player.

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That is what I find to be the case. I think it's called confirmation bias.

You have a point about the time taken. But it doesn't take that long and often coincides with the winner dragging the pot. That plus keeping the vibe positive makes it +EV for me (imo).

[crookdimwit]

Agree with this. At my home game, even with pre-stacked sticks in racks, rebuys slow stuff down. At the house/banker, it also means I miss out on action from time to time, which sucks.

For that reason, we allow someone to rebuy when they get below half the standard buy-in... no topping off when they've still got 70% of their starting chips. If you start people with a relatively good amount of chips in relation to the blinds, rebuys shouldn't be TOO much of a pain.

I invested in a few cheap, acryllic, casino-style chip racks and pre-count out stacks for rebuys, and this has made the process much, much easier. No need to open the chip case, etc...



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Reloading online, or even in a casino, is WAAAY easier than reloading in a home game.

Online, it doesnt slow down play at all. Click a mouse, and you have more chips. the other guys at the table might not even notice if they arent looking that closely at your dollar amount. Casinos have chip runners, and impact on the game is minimal.

In a home game everything comes to a grinding halt when someone needs more chips. The guy who's banking needs to get the chip case, count out, etc. and everyone waits while this goes on. I've been to lots of different home games, and even with the very well run ones, this is the case. It gets worse when you're playing with n00bs.

So... There's nothing wrong with topping off, but having a rule in place to limit when you can rebuy would help the game run a lot smoother. I'd get pretty pissed at the guy who kept topping off, because we would probably be waiting on him for the game to keep going.

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[pfapfap]

Racks, people, racks. It makes all of this so much easier. Also, something I've started doing lately, which works amazingly well, is keep all the buy-in money folded in my back pocket. For some reason that's a lot faster (and safer) than picking it up out of a case or from wherever else to add another bill or two. And only a reasonable number of initial buyins are counted out in the smaller chips. Most rebuys are big chips and change is made on the table. In the six months of running my game, I've gotten it down rather well.

But no topping off, as that's not only incredibly unfair to the house banker, distracting him/her from action far too often, but it screws up nice and clean stacks of chips and money.

[Lottery Larry]

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But no topping off, as that's not only incredibly unfair to the house banker, distracting him/her from action far too often, but it screws up nice and clean stacks of chips and money.

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The banker can always keep a freezer bag of chips sitting at his seat, for quick top-offs.. though I agree that abusing this would get a player cut off.

[headtrauma]

A fairly easy solution to the top up causin the bank to miss action is to allow cash on the table before the cards are dealt to play
the banker can then turn the cash into chips when hes out of the hand or between hands

[OsTornado]

As long as it doesn't dramatically slow down the game, I believe that any players should be allowed to reload to the max after any hand. At my favorite home game, we have a banker that is either just hanging out, or doesn't mind missing a hand in order to get chips for a rebuy. Like someone previously said, who minds having more money on the table? If you believe that you are a better player than the rest of the table, which pretty much every single poker player I met does, then you want every player to have the largest stack possible in front of them for you to take.

[Pants711]

One of the home games I attend regularly has a 25% short stack re-buy, i.e., with a $40 buy in & you can rebuy another $40 when you dip below $10. It seems to work well for our game....