Early in $11 MTT - Draw facing two all-ins - call for value?

thesilkworm · #1 12-20-2006, 01:07 AM

This was a $10 + $1 MTT on Full Tilt and the two players I'm in this hand with are playing pretty loose. Blinds 30/60.

(I called a raise with 9-7o which I know I shouldn't make a habit of - sometimes I just do stuff without thinking - consider it a misclick [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img])

The real decision is on the flop. Gamble here?

LegoPoker Hand Converter

Stack Sizes
MP1: $4455
MP2: $1320
Hero (CO): $2945
BTN: $3080
SB: $1450
BB: $1225
UTG: $2950
UTG+1: $8700

Preflop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7

($0, 8 players)
UTG raises to $210, UTG+1 calls $210, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero calls $210, BTN folds, SB calls $180, BB folds

Flop: 5

3

6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($810, 4 players)
SB bets all in for $1,240, UTG folds, UTG+1 raises all in to $8,490, Hero ???

Vraket · #2 12-20-2006, 01:12 AM

how big is the field.

0evg0 · #3 12-20-2006, 01:14 AM

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how big is the field.

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jesus christ this is as important as what he's wearing

if you dont understand why leave this forum forever you have like 500 posts wtf

and for the love of god fold

thesilkworm · #4 12-20-2006, 01:31 AM

Between 200-300, and I was wearing a pink t-shirt at the time.

ASPoker8 · #5 12-20-2006, 01:39 AM

snap-fold

Uncle_Billy · #6 12-20-2006, 01:47 AM

I laughed out loud reading evg's post...

You've got 4 outs - do the math...

dustybottoms · #7 12-20-2006, 01:47 AM

Did the four(eight?) hit on the turn or river?

ASPoker8 · #8 12-20-2006, 01:53 AM

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I laughed out loud reading evg's post...

You've got 8 outs - do the math...

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FYP

Uncle_Billy · #9 12-20-2006, 01:57 AM

I guess I'm a donk given I didn't count the 4 for the outs - but even so with 8 outs (assuming they're good), you still don't have the odds...

speedgun · #10 12-20-2006, 03:45 AM

The pot gives you approximately 1.75 : 1 odds. This means you need to have better than 36.4% chance of winning the hand to make the call right. If you think you have only 8 outs, you have only around 28%-30% (I don't have software to calculate the exact number here) chance to hit it. So fold.

If you have something like a pair the side pot will make the calculation more complicated but in this case I don't think you need to consider that.

On the other hand, if the SB had equal or more chips compared to you then your pot odds would have improved to 1: 2.3 and you would only need better than 30.3% chance which would make the call/fold a very marginal decision. I would still fold though.