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Old 05-11-2007, 06:19 PM
Das Budrick Das Budrick is offline
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Default 50nl AQ all in on flop?

This was pretty scary when I did it, wondering if other play this the same vs. unknown

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Hero ($70.60)</font>
UTG ($29.25)
MP ($80.10)
CO ($40.10)
<font color="#C00000">Button ($55.70)</font>
SB ($37.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $0.75.
UTG (poster) checks, MP calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, UTG calls $1.50, MP folds, Button calls $1.50.

Flop: ($7) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $53.7</font>, Hero calls $28.70.

Turn: ($114.40) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($114.40) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $114.40
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Old 05-11-2007, 06:54 PM
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Default Re: 50nl AQ all in on flop?

once you reraise I don't think you can fold, but I'm not sure I'd reraise

raise more preflop, bet more on the flop
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Old 05-11-2007, 07:28 PM
Albert Moulton Albert Moulton is offline
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Default Re: 50nl AQ all in on flop?

I find it highly unlikely that hero was a favorite when all the $ went in on the flop.

Hero may have won if villain had a big combo draw, but no way hero was the favorite to win when he committed his whole stack on the flop.

I think the whole line is spewy right from the raise preflop.

I like to check AQ/AJ here and play for TP in a small pot, if I can. If I raise here, which I do on occaision, then I raise a lot to rep AA in hopes of either taking it down preflop, or setting up a convincing cb on most flops. Raise to $5, for example. You really don't want any callers. Certainly don't raise to a smallish amount like $2, then go nuts on a board that already could give J9 a straight.
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Old 05-11-2007, 07:55 PM
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Default Re: 50nl AQ all in on flop?

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once you reraise I don't think you can fold, but I'm not sure I'd reraise

raise more preflop, bet more on the flop

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If we don't reraise the flop are we check/calling the whole way down, maybe folding to a big turn/river bet?
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Old 05-11-2007, 08:53 PM
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Default Re: 50nl AQ all in on flop?

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once you reraise I don't think you can fold, but I'm not sure I'd reraise

raise more preflop, bet more on the flop

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If we don't reraise the flop are we check/calling the whole way down, maybe folding to a big turn/river bet?

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Not necessarily. You can call flop to re-eval, or call and jam a safe turn if you think draws make up a large part of his range, or call and CRAI on turn.
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Old 05-11-2007, 09:08 PM
Hklm8383 Hklm8383 is offline
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Default Re: 50nl AQ all in on flop?

spew...even if it drawy you dont beat much
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Old 05-11-2007, 09:14 PM
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Default Re: 50nl AQ all in on flop?

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once you reraise I don't think you can fold, but I'm not sure I'd reraise

raise more preflop, bet more on the flop

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If we don't reraise the flop are we check/calling the whole way down, maybe folding to a big turn/river bet?

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I would usually just call the flop raise then lead out a safe turn (for ~1/2 pot). I would fold to further aggression by villain. This way you make draw pay at least on the turn and you aren't giving away all your chips to a set or straight.
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Old 05-12-2007, 07:04 AM
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Default Re: 50nl AQ all in on flop?

villain showed down a monster draw hand 8d9d so I took it down, but this is just the same kind of hand where I don't want to be too nitty and fold but villain is showing a lot of aggression. A lot of times people have said to 3bet in this kind of situation, why would we not 3bet here? Is it just too drawy of a board?
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Old 05-12-2007, 07:14 AM
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Default Re: 50nl AQ all in on flop?

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why would we not 3bet here?

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Cause any hand that raises you here is better than yours.
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Old 05-12-2007, 10:42 AM
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Default Re: 50nl AQ all in on flop?

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why would we not 3bet here?

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Cause any hand that raises you here is better than yours.

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Except of course for the one villain had in this case. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Not to be results oriented but this hand is evidence that monster draws are pushed sometimes. I still stick to the line I put in my post above but definitely make a note that this player will push draws hard. And also watch for how they play big made hands like sets.
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