High Stakes Poker thread (11/26 - 500k buyin pt 4 - Spoilers all over)

[SpaceJanitor]

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but... it's a TV SHOW.

i'm pretty sure that when it comes to tv shows, the world does, in fact, revolve around making good tv.

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No, that is not the only important point here, since the people on HSP aren't just playing for our entertainment, they are also playing for each others money - and a lot of it too. So the producers have to keep them happy for them to play at all. I doubt, Brunson, Greenstein, etc. would play in a 500K buy-in NLHE game if the producers forced rules on them that they don't like. There has to be some compromise.

[KiwiMark]

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but... it's a TV SHOW.

i'm pretty sure that when it comes to tv shows, the world does, in fact, revolve around making good tv.

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So, whereas this program is a reality show where we get to see a real high stakes cash poker game, that is not what you want to watch. Obviously you would rather they write a script and hire actors to play the hands they set up, every action scripted and all cards scripted - so you get good entertainment.

Personally I would rather watch a real game and am fine with the realism.

[Lee Ezell]

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I have no problem with them running it as many times at they want. As others have pointed out, it's alot of money and it's theirs so they can do what they want. It doesn't make for quite as good TV, but the world doesn't revolve around making good TV.

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I actually think that running it multiple times is even better for the voyeuristic thrill we're looking for. Indeed, the one thing the show DOES need to change is adding split screen of the player's faces when the cards are dealt, so you can see Sammy's face crumble and Patrik's light up...

[cmillard]

I do not claim to be an expert...and everyone on this show is a lot better than me (even JG). But someone explain to me why you would re-raise with a straight flush...

It obviously worked, because Sammy called the reraise by DB...but it would never cross my mind to reraise on the turn here. Someone help me with this one!

Thanks.

[Dynasty]

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I do not claim to be an expert...and everyone on this show is a lot better than me (even JG). But someone explain to me why you would re-raise with a straight flush...

It obviously worked, because Sammy called the reraise by DB...but it would never cross my mind to reraise on the turn here. Someone help me with this one!



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You reraise because opponents can call with lots of big hands. They'll call (or reraise/go all-in) with a flush. They'll call with a set and probably go all-in on the river if the board pairs.

If you've got the nuts, bet it and let your opponents figure out how they can possibly call while drawing dead.

The hard part if figuring out how much to raise/bet with a hand as big as Benyamine had.

[spivey]

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I do not claim to be an expert...and everyone on this show is a lot better than me (even JG). But someone explain to me why you would re-raise with a straight flush...

It obviously worked, because Sammy called the reraise by DB...but it would never cross my mind to reraise on the turn here. Someone help me with this one!



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You reraise because opponents can call with lots of big hands. They'll call (or reraise/go all-in) with a flush. They'll call with a set and probably go all-in on the river if the board pairs.

If you've got the nuts, bet it and let your opponents figure out how they can possibly call while drawing dead.

The hard part if figuring out how much to raise/bet with a hand as big as Benyamine had.

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Yeah, seriously. He'll call there even if he knows he's beat because he thinks he can stack him if the board pairs. I think Benyamine purposely bet such an amount so that Farha would do that.

[cmillard]

That makes sense...I see what you are saying. That's another reason I am watching those stakes instead of playing those stakes!

Thanks.

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

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That makes sense...I see what you are saying. That's another reason I am watching those stakes instead of playing those stakes!

Thanks.

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The lesson here is for any level. When you have a monster and your opponent is drawing dead on the turn. Either he has a big enough hand or draw to put more money in or he doesn't. If he doesn't, it matters little whether you bet the turn or river, he's folding. If he does, you want to give him 2 chances to put more money in. If he's on a draw and you wait until the river and his draw misses, you've left money on the table. If he has a vulnerable made hand and you wait until the river and a scare card hits, you've left money on the table.

When you have your opponent drawing dead or close to it on the turn and he bets into you, you should try to get more money in right then. It's how much money (as Dynasty said) that's the hard decision.

[jjshabado]

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I do not claim to be an expert...and everyone on this show is a lot better than me (even JG). But someone explain to me why you would re-raise with a straight flush...

It obviously worked, because Sammy called the reraise by DB...but it would never cross my mind to reraise on the turn here. Someone help me with this one!

Thanks.

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Whats the point of having a straight flush that only wins you a small amount of money. If Farha has a set he's probably calling to try and draw out. If he's got a strong flush he's probably at least calling (and might even move in with something like the nut flush). If you wait to the river it might seem fishy, but more importantly the board might not pair, or another club might come making Farha's hand even weaker. Weak to the point of not calling any bet.

Farha could have had the A of clubs. In which case he'll probably call a decent sized bet on the turn drawing to the nut flush. If the river is not a club he wouldn't call anything.

There are lots of situations where Farha is putting money in on the turn, but wouldn't put anything in on the river.

[Hollywade]

Sammy was cracking me up tonight.

"Top pair? Haha. Bring us one more Patrik."

"I got aces Doyle. What do you know?"