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Old 11-06-2007, 09:37 AM
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Default 25/50 HU, deep vs Terken river spot

I had heard terken was some euro god on non US sites, but I was curious and thought id give him a bit of action. We had been 4 tabling for like an hour or so when this hand came up. Overall I think he respects my game, and probably thought I was capable of playing lots of hands this way. I have been 3betting a fair amount of the time.

He has caught me double barreling a few times, though every 3 barrel he has either folded or called w/ a worse hand.

I realize that HU hands are very hard to comment on w/o being there and really knowing the dynamic, but I thought this was a v interesting spot.

Terken has 12.3k, and I cover.

He opens the sb to 150, I make it 550 w/ KhQh, he calls. He has not 4 bet me at all on this table (other tables we were shallower and he 4bet/called w/ QQ a couple times).

Flop is 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] j [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], I bet 750 he calls.

Turn is Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I bet 2150 (into about 2400). He calls after thinking for ~20 seconds.

River 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

He has 8900 or so left.

Pot is 6899.

I think there are 3 clear options here, all thoughts appreciated.
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Old 11-06-2007, 09:48 AM
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Default Re: 25/50 HU, deep vs Terken river spot

I'd hit the allin button.
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Old 11-06-2007, 09:51 AM
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Default Re: 25/50 HU, deep vs Terken river spot

edited, he had 8900 on the riv.
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Old 11-06-2007, 10:00 AM
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Default Re: 25/50 HU, deep vs Terken river spot

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I'd hit the allin button.

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ya seriously i cant see anything but pushing here?
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Old 11-06-2007, 10:19 AM
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Default Re: 25/50 HU, deep vs Terken river spot

alot of draws missed, it doesnt seem likely that he has a draw although I could see him having something like JAdd. Problem is he might have slowplayed a monster because he would be full and doesnt care about protecting then, but I think he can put you on a lot of air if you push and will sometimes call with worse. I think that happens way more than you are beat, and I think he doesnt bluff enough on that river for checking to be correct, so shove
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Old 11-06-2007, 10:25 AM
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Default Re: 25/50 HU, deep vs Terken river spot

all-in, he will make a beautiful call with AT
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Old 11-06-2007, 10:27 AM
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Default Re: 25/50 HU, deep vs Terken river spot

shove
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Old 11-06-2007, 01:56 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 HU, deep vs Terken river spot

shove cause he is euro and will make a bad call
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Old 11-06-2007, 04:11 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 HU, deep vs Terken river spot

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shove cause he is euro and will make a bad call

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qft
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Old 11-06-2007, 02:46 PM
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Default Re: 25/50 HU, deep vs Terken river spot

My intial impression was that I like check, snap call better than betting. I feel like since your known range for him for lines like this thus far into the match is 100% value, its harder than usual for him to make a hero call (assuming its a sample size >1). Also, I think he would expect you to bet for value with a fairly wide range of hands here, thus increasing the possibility in his mind that when you check, you have given up on the pot (although it sucks when he shows up with something like 88). As a side note, I think its possible that he shows up with aa and less likely kk here sometimes, although its a fairly small part of his range and likely doesnt change much.

My default position here is to bet, likely shoving, though.


Edit: Ive thought about it a little more and I think the fact that you have 2 hearts makes it closer to a bet, but I still stand by my analysis.
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