Here's an interesting one for you guys...

[ama0330]

Thats more like it, ev_slave. Someone tell me, how many hands do I have to add to his range to make the call 0EV?

[ama0330]

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It does not have to be stricktly 99+. But 99+ mixed up with unpaired overcards drops your equity to low thirties.

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Im not saying this is a call, I'm just trying to get everyone to think it out, because I think its close.

[ev_slave]

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Thats more like it, ev_slave. Someone tell me, how many hands do I have to add to his range to make the call 0EV?

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Props from AMA. Rock.

[prodonkey]

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It does not have to be stricktly 99+. But 99+ mixed up with unpaired overcards drops your equity to low thirties.

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Im not saying this is a call, I'm just trying to get everyone to think it out, because I think its close.

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It might be close if a 22/18 does it.. but the guy is a nit, what is he putting 100 in with there.. QQ+ AK.

I 5 bet shoved over top of someone with T8s awhile back, I won the pot, but I don't think getting it in with T high is advisable most times.

[panda]

You need 37.5% equity against his range for this to be neutral EV.


equity
Hand 0: 37.824% { Tc8c }
Hand 1: 62.176% { 22+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo }

Only problem is that he's a nit!

[crunchi]

What do people think when they see someone open raise for 25BB???

[ama0330]

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You need 37.5% equity against his range for this to be neutral EV.


equity
Hand 0: 37.824% { Tc8c }
Hand 1: 62.176% { 22+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo }

Only problem is that he's a nit!

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The guy is a nit over a very small sample, and this is 100nl.

[panda]

Didn't see its only 56 hands, sorry.

This is actually much closer to being a call than I thought it would be. However, You can almost certainly removed 22-66 from his range given the action. Without 22-66 we are down to 33% equity.

[CruS]

Three cases:

1. He shoves the better half of his 10% raise range because he thinks you have a decent hand.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 70.541% 70.25% 00.29% 74575477 313063.00 { 88+, AJs+, KQs, AKo }
Hand 1: 29.459% 29.16% 00.29% 30961245 313063.00 { Ts8s }

0.295*200 > 59
59 < 75; Bad call

2. He shoves his normal 10% range because he thinks he will get respect for the shove and has a lot of FE.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 66.474% 66.08% 00.39% 139179442 823661.00 { 77+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, AJo+, KQo }
Hand 1: 33.526% 33.13% 00.39% 69786628 823661.00 { Ts8s }

0.335*200 = 67
67 < 75; close call (still bad though)

3. He shoves above his normal range (say 20%) because he figured out you misclicked and found some dead money in the pot

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 64.357% 63.67% 00.68% 263033989 2819329.63 { 66+, A4s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }
Hand 1: 35.643% 34.96% 00.68% 144420692 2819329.63 { Ts8s }

0.356*200 = 71.2
71.2 < 75; very close but still -EV

Conclusion: Even tho you open up his range to the double of his normal raise %, it's still a -EV call.

[Lego05]

There's no way this would be a +ev call. He would have to be shoving a pretty wide range....much wider than what he normally raises with.