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Old 11-13-2007, 12:46 PM
wazz wazz is offline
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Default Re: Flopped boat OOP against LAG ($5/5)

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Villains screenname and IŽll give the answer.

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kwimbozakari. you play this game? pm sn please.

So given everyone's responses, I think it's close either way. I'm not gonna think about villain having AA enough to worry me and am happy to get stacks in. If I c/r small he possibly smells a fish and folds some 9s, if I c/r to $130 or something he possibly thinks I'm on a steal and would shove some good 9s. If he doesn't have a 9, I only get stand to get paid off by letting him bet at it, but then I risk giving him a free 2/4 outer. I quite like the lead flop c/r turn line as he would possibly float flop with a wide range. All in all I think I played it terribly by checkraising him to $70, and he folded.
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Old 11-13-2007, 02:10 PM
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Default Re: Flopped boat OOP against LAG ($5/5)

This is a pretty standard spot to let the other party do the betting unless you have a history to make him think you're stealing.
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Old 11-13-2007, 02:11 PM
CrushinFelt CrushinFelt is offline
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Default Re: Flopped boat OOP against LAG ($5/5)

Also, folding preflop is ... wow.
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Old 11-13-2007, 02:19 PM
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Default Re: Flopped boat OOP against LAG ($5/5)

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Villains screenname and IŽll give the answer.

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you play this game? pm sn please.


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Costs you $500 for me to PM it. Also this is above Kwimbos normal level, heŽs not very good, winner in PLO200 maybe - not above.
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Old 11-13-2007, 02:31 PM
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Default Re: Flopped boat OOP against LAG ($5/5)

Um... lol. I'll decline that offer. Have we played lots together?

I'd say he's a winner in PLO500 simply because the player pool is worse there than at 200. Haven't seen him play higher. He plays a fairly standard LAG game IMO and I have him as a small winner over a relatively small sample.
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Old 11-13-2007, 02:41 PM
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Default Re: Flopped boat OOP against LAG ($5/5)

Oh, and I shipped villains' SN, so how would you play it against him?
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Old 11-13-2007, 03:08 PM
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Default Re: Flopped boat OOP against LAG ($5/5)

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Oh, and I shipped villains' SN, so how would you play it against him?

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I dunno, I have zero hands from him @ PLO500. And you are not right with your statement about the level of play in general.
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Old 11-14-2007, 06:54 AM
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Default Re: Flopped boat OOP against LAG ($5/5)

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he possibly thinks I'm on a steal and would shove some good 9s.

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Why the heck would he shove here unless he has AA A9 or total air.


Also, in most cases you just cant play very profitably OOP unless you have very solid reads on your opponent(s). Like OP replied to someone that either playing draws very aggressively and/or check/calling nfd is somehow very profitable I just have to disagree. You're just assuming too much saying that if you flop this and that you do this and if your opponent does this you do that and every decision is magically +EV for you.
It comes down to the fact that the dude with position does have advantage every single time.

Of course you *can* fold preflop you aren't losing anything there but I sure as hell wouldn't and saying that someone *should* fold this hand preflop is just, well, wrong.

As for the hand raising the flop(minraise/3x raise) and giving your opponent the chance to bluff off chips seems the best way to win something. Check-calling wont put any money in the pot and checking again on the turn would be terrible. If you have any history raise the amount you think he will most likely go apeshit on you and if you don't try min/3x. Minraise is likely better for the reasons gordo stated above. (its cheaper for him to call your "bluff" with weaker hands than 9xxx and he will draw to a boat with a 9 most of the time)
Pot-raising is way too strong and your opponent will prolly think 3betting is too expensive and even if his spidersense is tingling and he would want to 3bet he simply wont.
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