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Old 11-03-2007, 02:54 PM
wazz wazz is offline
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Default How high a flush do I need to call this? ($2/2 protected sidepot)

UTG is strong, loose-aggro. No significant read on shortstack but I consider it likely he has aces. How does my decision change if I have two pair/set with it? Please (for now) ignore my preflop and flop FPS.

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Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $2/$2
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $254.45
CO: $93.80
Button: $173
hero: $571.65
BB: $86

Pre-flop: (5 players) hero is SB with XXXX
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $8</font>, CO calls, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises to $12</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $58</font>, hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($176, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">hero bets $13</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises all-in $35.8</font>, hero calls, UTG calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($283.4, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $283.4)
<font color="#cc0000">hero bets $50</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises all-in $160.65</font>, hero calls.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($604.7, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $283.4, Sidepot 1: $321.3)

Results:
Final pot: $604.7
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Old 11-03-2007, 03:06 PM
AlexKP AlexKP is offline
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Default Re: How high a flush do I need to call this? ($2/2 protected sidepot)

K high at least, argh... I really think he have nuts here so so often
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Old 11-04-2007, 09:05 AM
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Default Re: How high a flush do I need to call this? ($2/2 protected sidepot)

Really? This isn't interesting in the slightest?
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Old 11-04-2007, 09:57 AM
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Default Re: How high a flush do I need to call this? ($2/2 protected sidepot)

I think he could be doing this with any flush, maybe less, given your read and all the weird bet sizing. So figure out what hand has pot odds against a range of {flushes}, weighted for the fact that he raised, called, and called preflop. I think it will turn out to be 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or so.
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Old 11-04-2007, 04:23 PM
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Default Re: How high a flush do I need to call this? ($2/2 protected sidepot)

If you have a set, you have pot odds to call up to half pot on the turn, so that's an insta-call, as it would be even if you had no flush. As for a bare flush... I'd call with the King-high (not liking it much) but fold the Ten-high or worse.
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Old 11-04-2007, 07:20 PM
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Default Re: How high a flush do I need to call this? ($2/2 protected sidepot)

OK so I guess this isn't very interesting. Results: I'm UTG, SB is semi-known fish, and called with a straight. I just had top two with an oesd redraw, CO had bare aces.
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Old 11-04-2007, 08:38 PM
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Default Re: How high a flush do I need to call this? ($2/2 protected sidepot)

i only call with Nut flush here..
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Old 11-05-2007, 12:47 AM
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I suppose he's already put in 140-odd and is getting about 4.5:1 on a call, so if he thinks you bluff a lot he might think he's getting good odds.
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Old 11-05-2007, 02:29 AM
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Default Re: How high a flush do I need to call this? ($2/2 protected sidepot)

The way you played it I can't really imagine folding any flush but I guess it comes down to what he thinks you'll call with. He could easily be doing this with any four cards that have a shot at winning the main pot.
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