Bubble Situation What Do You Do?????????

[hagbard celine]

i don't know that the intention is necessarily to c/f a scary flop, but rather to not fold out hands you have absolutely crushed, hands that might call a reasonable raise, but will fold to a shove.

At this level, however, I doubt that many Villains are going to fold a hand to a shove that they'd call a reasonable raise with, so I'm shoving here.

[levAA]

I also think shoving 23BB over an UTG+2 limp is a little overplayed.

An open-limper can of course be a slow-played big hand like KK+ or (as seen often lately) AK, but most of the time this is a medium or even small PP, or some kind of drawing hands like QJs.

So we want the majority of these hands to come along.

If we over-push here we achieve the exact opposite as we wanted to do - we chase off the weak hands.

QQ is one of the easiest hands to play postflop, so as jammydodga already pointed out making a normal sized raise of about 1k is more than enough.

I think you loose a lot of value by over-pushing big hands in spots like this.

[hamnegger]

the more i think about the shove is horrible

[Merek007]

Your choices 1) are call and see a flop...You have the 3rd best hand in a micro... not getting enough value. To me(fellow micro donk) You have to rr.

2) RR how much? $1000? or Push? TT/JJ+ will push back for sure on 1000 rr. Many As and prs will push back. Only trash is likely folding. Will trash call a 1000 rr? So the question is does the push win you more money with a lower win % in 10-20% fewwer pots(folds) but a 5 times bigger pot. Sometimes you will fold on flop, but sometimes you will stack and win anyway?

[hagbard celine]

lev, first off, I agree with you 100%, that shoving PF here is brutish and playing scared.

I do, however, think that our play needs to be tailored to the stakes, and in a $1 tournament, shoving PF might be the best way to get all the money into the middle with the best hand.

Basically, I wouldn't push because I'm scared of seeing an A on the flop, but because I'm not sure that UTG+1 is limping and then folding this shallow. I don't play this low, but in $5 MTTs I see this type of play a lot from small to medium pairs from players that can't open fold a pair, won't raise cause they're scared and then won't fold to a shove.

On the other hand, all the responses to shove need to be balanced by people explaining that outside of the context of this particular tournament with this buy-in, shoving here is a massive overbet, and is going to lose you value.

[hagbard celine]

Oh, and the fact that this is the bubble really shouldn't have any effect on your play.

[ZenMusician]

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At this level, however, I doubt that many Villains are going to fold a hand to a shove that they'd call a reasonable raise with, so I'm shoving here.

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Thank you, that was my point entirely.

-ZEN