QQ, checkraised on turn

[Gorvacofin]

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $18.20
BB: $20
UTG: $16.60
Hero (MP): $30.50
CO: $24.90
BTN: $24.15

Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (MP)
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, 4 folds, UTG calls $1

Flop: ($2.85) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1.75</font>, UTG calls $1.75

Turn: ($6.35) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $4</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $8</font>

Results: $14.35 Pot ($14.35 Rake)

Villain was very loosey-goosey, and seemed to be playing almost every hand. Hero?

[Schiester]

If you think he's doing this with worse than an overpair often enough, call him down.

Min-raising the turn is my favourite way of getting a cheap showdown.

[WhiteWolf]

Is he loose passive, or loose aggressive? That makes a big difference here. As played, I'm confused and probably call turn + call a moderate river bet. He may be thinking J9 is good here.

[bsball8806]

What do you think we beat here? 10's? A9? We're getting nice odds though (better than 4:1), so I probably call and see what he does on the river.
The only hand I think he might make this play with that we're ahead of is J9. He might be an idiot and not realize that any overpair has his top 2 beaten.

[monkeymaps]

yeh im not folding here call turn c/c a reasonable river bet if this is how he plays a monster he will prob give you great odds to call on the river and there are plenty of hands you are ahead of here IMO.

[thoman8r]

Unless he's very passive post-flop I 3-bet shove the turn. You'll be getting about 3.5:1 and this is definitely a J or even a draw at least that much.

[aaharty]

The way the villain has played this hand is typical of how players at 25NL play v. strong hands - check/call flop , check/raise turn so I think we definitely put him on a hand here..

Seems like you have equity in the hand, giving him quite a narrow range on stove gives:

Board: 6h 9s 6c Js
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.338% 56.62% 00.71% 1744 22.00 { QcQs }
Hand 1: 42.662% 41.95% 00.71% 1292 22.00 { 66+, AJs, A9s, A6s, AJo, A9o, A6o }

obviously if you put smaller pairs and air in there (and AK?) ur equity goes up but i think his hand is within this range..

As played I would call the minraise and see what happens on the turn (prolly c/c)

Edit: J9 should be in range..

[thoman8r]

I don't agree with this range, first of all he's not doing this with all PP's 66+, just 66, 99, JJ+.

Also OP said he was playing almost every hand, so I think we have to include hands like J9, JT, QJ, KJ.

My experience is that a lot of times these donks will put you on top pair on the flop and think their J just outdrew you.

[aaharty]

Board: 6h 9s 6c Js
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 72.389% 71.98% 00.41% 3832 22.00 { QcQs }
Hand 1: 27.611% 27.20% 00.41% 1448 22.00 { 99+, 66, AJs, A9s, A6s, KJs, QJs, J9s+, T9s, 98s, AJo, A9o, A6o, KJo, QJo, J9o+, T9o, 98o }

Is this range better??

[thoman8r]

Yeah I think it is, although there are probably some more 6's in his range like 65s and 76s.

But the bottom line is, there isn't a range for the villain that doesn't make shoving the right move.