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Old 05-14-2007, 01:53 PM
SomethingClever SomethingClever is offline
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Default Find nuts on turn, river pairs board... blocker or c/c?

No read, just sat down. What's best here?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.50/$1 Blinds
6 Players
LegoPoker HH Converter

<font color="black">Hero (SB): $99.00</font>
BB: $159.75
UTG: $233.20
MP: $99.70
CO: $44.85
BTN: $87.55

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
3 folds, BTN calls $1.00, Hero calls $0.50, BB checks

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($3) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN checks

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($3) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $9.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $29.00</font>, BB calls $20.00

<font color="black">River:</font> ($61) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero...
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Old 05-14-2007, 01:56 PM
Paul Thomson Paul Thomson is offline
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Default Re: Find nuts on turn, river pairs board... blocker or c/c?

check-call. I think alot of set and 2-pair hands bet the flop, however, he might have been going for a check-raise in order to trap you. but whatever.
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Old 05-14-2007, 02:02 PM
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Default Re: Find nuts on turn, river pairs board... blocker or c/c?

I'd say b/f
put in a blocker of like ~20
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Old 05-14-2007, 02:03 PM
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Default Re: Find nuts on turn, river pairs board... blocker or c/c?

c/c is good since this a draw/bluff alot
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Old 05-14-2007, 02:05 PM
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Default Re: Find nuts on turn, river pairs board... blocker or c/c?

With no reads I was initally thinking bet/fold is best, but its tough. He is never bluffing a worse hand given the turn action with this line.

But it's actually hard to put him on a hand you beat here except a busted draw with the flop/turn action, so maybe C/C is best. I don't think he slowplays naked top pair on the flop and I don't think he calls your 3-bet on the turn with naked top pair unless he is really bad. It would help if you knew how aggressive he is. C/C may be best here, I'd like to see what others think.
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Old 05-14-2007, 02:05 PM
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Default Re: Find nuts on turn, river pairs board... blocker or c/c?

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I'd say b/f
put in a blocker of like ~20

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My first thought aswell, but hands that beat us bet the flop alot and push/fold to our turn 3b.
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Old 05-14-2007, 02:09 PM
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Default Re: Find nuts on turn, river pairs board... blocker or c/c?

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I'd say b/f
put in a blocker of like ~20

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My first thought aswell, but hands that beat us bet the flop alot and push/fold to our turn 3b.

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I b/f for these exact reasons. Do you think he might bluff here if we check to him?
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Old 05-14-2007, 02:13 PM
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Default Re: Find nuts on turn, river pairs board... blocker or c/c?

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I'd say b/f
put in a blocker of like ~20

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My first thought aswell, but hands that beat us bet the flop alot and push/fold to our turn 3b.

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I b/f for these exact reasons. Do you think he might bluff here if we check to him?

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I will say this, I don't like bet/folding here because it is entirely possible that he will raise Qx if we throw a weak bet out there.

Qx is definitely in a bad player's range, and we don't have a read. I think folding on the river here is usually pretty bad.

If I bet, I'm betting more than 20, and I'm calling a shove.

But I'm not saying that betting is best.
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Old 05-14-2007, 02:16 PM
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Default Re: Find nuts on turn, river pairs board... blocker or c/c?

You got a good point, if I think he will bet or raise me with Qx, I will c/c but I think the majority of peole will check Qx behind.
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Old 05-14-2007, 02:17 PM
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Default Re: Find nuts on turn, river pairs board... blocker or c/c?

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I'd say b/f
put in a blocker of like ~20

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My first thought aswell, but hands that beat us bet the flop alot and push/fold to our turn 3b.

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I b/f for these exact reasons. Do you think he might bluff here if we check to him?

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I will say this, I don't like bet/folding here because it is entirely possible that he will raise Qx if we throw a weak bet out there.

Qx is definitely in a bad player's range, and we don't have a read. I think folding on the river here is usually pretty bad.

If I bet, I'm betting more than 20, and I'm calling a shove.

But I'm not saying that betting is best.

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do you think a bad player bets his Q on the river? IF so, then I like check-calling even more.

If you think he checks it behind than you might have to start thinking about betting the river.

But I still like check-call best.
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