Calling lite in a 3bet pot

corsakh · #1 09-13-2007, 04:58 AM

Villain is 30/15/1 with 50% att to steal over a big sample. The type of guy who heared position was good, so raises almost every hand in LP and does not believe in folding. I think first time I 3bet him.

No IQ poker 0.25/0.50, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

saw flop | saw showdown

Button EugeneBasset ($48.75)
SB futurestar17 ($81.65)
BB Hero ($51.25)
UTG Sylikoira ($59.55)
UTG+1 bryansh ($74.97)
CO andrewnoo ($141.69)

Preflop: Hero is in the BB with 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 folds, EugeneBasset raises to 2.00, 1 fold, Hero raises to 6.50, EugeneBasset calls 5.00.

Flop (14.25) 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero bets 9.00, EugeneBasset calls 9.00.

Turn (32.25) 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero checks, EugeneBasset checks.

River (32.25) 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero checks, EugeneBasset bets 14.00, Hero calls 14.00

fjbourne · #2 09-13-2007, 05:11 AM

Its def. a good idea to punish someone stealing that much, but I would prob. wait for a better hand to do it with. I'd do it with any A or K, suited connectors down to 56, mid suited one gappers, all pocket pairs. Basically top 40% of hands. 79 off is probably a bit too weak for me.

That being said I do make a move with a hand like 79 every once in awhile, assuming villian is calling 3bets with a wide range.

As played it looks good to me, again, as long as you have seen him call 3 bets liberally.

corsakh · #3 09-13-2007, 05:18 AM

There was no 3betting at the table before up to this point, so I cant say he would call a 3bet liberally, but he sure called raises in position liberally and was stealing a lot of blinds.

Genz · #4 09-13-2007, 05:50 AM

I know this spot. It's hard not to think results orientedly, but I'm usually toast in these spots. As you said, there was no 3betting going on, so you represent a big hand. The least you're gonna have is kicker trouble.

And btw: if he doesn't believe in folding, you should just flat call this preflop and play for good implied odds. You hurt yourself by reraising.

corsakh · #5 09-13-2007, 06:00 AM

Ye but he steals 50%, I have no implied odds and I'm tired of giving up blinds.

freeucm · #6 09-13-2007, 06:02 AM

spew fold river

Genz · #7 09-13-2007, 06:13 AM

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Ye but he steals 50%, I have no implied odds and I'm tired of giving up blinds.

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I rather give up $0.5 in blinds than $29 against Q2o or K9o stealing my blind. When you say that he doesn't fold, trying to push him off his hand is not the correct adjustment, imo.

corsakh · #8 09-13-2007, 06:17 AM

Ye, especially when he hits quads. GG [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

wslee00 · #9 09-13-2007, 06:19 AM

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Ye but he steals 50%, I have no implied odds and I'm tired of giving up blinds.

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then just call pf and lead more flops than you usually would. If he's going to call any pf 3-bet, no point in 3-betting unless you feel your hand is a favorite.

clowntable · #10 09-13-2007, 07:09 AM

Fire again on the turn or he'll put you on AK :P

You could also call with the 97s it sucks to be OOP but you flop something good around 23% of the time with suited one gappers (see SSNL sticky post regarding suited connectors) iirc
I prefer the 3bet though