KK on button

bigbaldguy · #1 10-09-2007, 11:10 AM

playing in $50 tourney, started with 975 players down to 172, top 152 get paid.

Normal table..... 3 to 4 times bb raises preflop, no super aggressiveness, last few hands alot of folding preflop.

Here's the hand....

Blinds 200 - 400 antes 50 full table (9)
UTG (16,000) raises to double - 800
2,3, and 4 fold
player in #5 position (13,500) calls
#6 folds
I am on button (12,500) with K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] I reraise to 2800
blinds fold
UTG calls and so does #5
pots 9450
flop comes Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG checks
#5 bets 2000
I think for a minute .... maybe he has AK [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or AQ or JJ and putting out a probing bet....so i decide to go all in for my final 9800.
UTG folds
#5 calls
He turns over 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] for a set
his hand holds up....
so....
did i do anything wrong.... should i of raised to say 3600 -4000
or did they just make bad calls to my raise

any info would be great.
thanks

AMT · #2 10-09-2007, 11:14 AM

make it 3200 pf, your raise is too small with a caller in the middle and antes. flop is fine.

tomek322 · #3 10-09-2007, 11:17 AM

Chalk it up as a cooler...

Rocco · #4 10-09-2007, 11:18 AM

I'd probably make a pot-sized (or close to) raise. Pot is now 2650 so around 3200-3400 would be nice. Your opponent makes a mistake by calling the raise, he doesn't even have close to sufficient odds for hitting a set.

It's really tempting to double up at this point, but you should be happy just picking up the extra 2650.

ssnyc · #5 10-09-2007, 11:24 AM

just a bad beat..you played it fine

bigbaldguy · #6 10-09-2007, 11:25 AM

thanks for the quick replys.....

AMT.... i raised a little more than the pot (pot - 2650) According to Harrington book that should be enough
do u think only another 400 be enough or do u just reraise 4 to 5 X raise all the time.
thanks again for the input.

bigbaldguy · #7 10-09-2007, 11:28 AM

thanks Rocco...
that was my thinking just wanted to confirm.

Acein8ter · #8 10-09-2007, 12:04 PM

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make it 3200 pf, your raise is too small with a caller in the middle and antes. flop is fine.

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3200+, make them pay to see a flop w/44... Your an ~80% favorite...

Acein8ter · #9 10-09-2007, 12:09 PM

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thanks for the quick replys.....

AMT.... i raised a little more than the pot (pot - 2650) According to Harrington book that should be enough
do u think only another 400 be enough or do u just reraise 4 to 5 X raise all the time.
thanks again for the input.

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In HOH, he's playing professionals that can lay down a hand when they are not getting the 'correct' odds to call. In SSMTT's, a lot of players are not calculating their pot odds, etc..

The player UTG had a 16k stack, so calling for a bit over 2k was probably OK with him, even if he missed his set.

ShizzMoney · #10 10-09-2007, 12:36 PM

Raising to 3500-4K OTB is optimal because not only are you making a correct pot sized bet to try and get HU (where KK plays best), villians often think that raising OTB = full of sh*t, so maybe you get the 44 or UTG to do something stupid.

I sometimes don't even mind a jam PF here with your stack and M. Makes it look like AK.

Although you gambled a bit with it, one thing you probably learned from this hand (and I have in the past as well) is that when you have an overpair multiway in NLHE, you should feel uncomfortable about your chances if you get called on the flop.