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Optimal?
Is this a good way to give shortstackers a taste of their own medicine? Optimal play?
Poker Stars, $5/$10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter UTG+1: $950 MP1: $1,201.25 MP2: $1,227 CO: $249.25 Hero (BTN): $935 SB: $157 BB: $200 UTG: $1,296 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN) 5 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $935 and is All-In</font> |
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Re: Optimal?
Sounds +EV.
Dont know the SC numbers off hand but I bet the number for AQ is > 40 and I assume you can divide by two for two opponents. You could probably use software like SNQWIZ (there is a chip equity option) and assign calling ranges to them both. Optimal would be a different debate but yes - a taste of their own medicine is goot for them. |
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Re: Optimal?
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Sounds +EV. Dont know the SC numbers off hand [/ QUOTE ] Pardon my ignorance..but what is this? (SC numbers) |
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Re: Optimal?
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[ QUOTE ] Sounds +EV. Dont know the SC numbers off hand [/ QUOTE ] Pardon my ignorance..but what is this? (SC numbers) [/ QUOTE ] Sklansky Chubranov Numbers (Spelling?) In short if you are in the SB with a given hand and the BB has a certain stack or smaller you can shove all in and the BB could not profit (in the long term) even if - He knew your cards - He had a perfect poker brain and could calculate equity instantly. Thats a poor explaination, get a copy of NLTAP - all in there. |
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Re: Optimal?
I don't like how you played that cause I think your hand is too weak for that line. If one of the blinds wakes up with say AK, JJ+ they'll def you call you and you might be in pretty bad shape. If they both fold you have invested 935$ to win 15 plus some advertising value maybe.
I wouldn't mind this line though with AK, QQ+ thoughto mix it up a little. Just make a normal raise, in case you get reraised or of one them shoves you can still reevaluate. |
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Re: Optimal?
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you have invested 935$ to win 15. [/ QUOTE ] read the HH again...effective stacks are $200 |
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Re: Optimal?
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[ QUOTE ] you have invested 935$ to win 15. [/ QUOTE ] read the HH again...effective stacks are $200 [/ QUOTE ] Ok, right. You have invested effectively 200 to win 15...Still a normal raise would achieve the same but I guess I understand your reasoning for your move. Just not my fav play... |
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Re: Optimal?
Assume they will call with AK, JJ+ thats 3.9% of hands.
Your equity against this range is 35% I have simplified by giving them both $200.00 and assuming they will never both call. My rough calculations 92.2% You win Blinds $15.00 = $13.83 2.73% (7.8% x 35%) You are called and win pot $400.00 = $10.92 5.07% (7.8% x 65%) You are called and lose pot -$400.00 = -$20.28 Equity from shove = $4.47. Pretty close, +EV but high variance. If they play predictably then a 3bb raise should steal their blinds a lot of the time and you can get away from a re-raise easy enough. |
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Re: Optimal?
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Assume they will call with AK, JJ+ thats 3.9% of hands. Your equity against this range is 35% I have simplified by giving them both $200.00 and assuming they will never both call. My rough calculations 92.2% You win Blinds $15.00 = $13.83 2.73% (7.8% x 35%) You are called and win pot $400.00 = $10.92 5.07% (7.8% x 65%) You are called and lose pot -$400.00 = -$20.28 Equity from shove = $4.47. Pretty close, +EV but high variance. If they play predictably then a 3bb raise should steal their blinds a lot of the time and you can get away from a re-raise easy enough. [/ QUOTE ] Thank you for putting the time into doing this; but I think you assign them too tight a range. I didn't really have reads on them, but you can't assume they are perfect competent shortstackers. I think a wider range like 88+, AQ+ with some random hands like 5% of the time is in order. |
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Re: Optimal?
I just used the range Alex suggested when he didnt like the play - kind of a worst case scenario.
My guess is that there is no range that we dont profit against. As Mike points out if we widen their range then we probably are adding hands like flipping PPs or favorites against AJ/KQ so thats even better. |
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