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Old 11-19-2007, 05:26 PM
Waylander11 Waylander11 is offline
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Default Villain offers to show a card

I was in a hand about three months ago so i'm a little vague on all the details but it went something like this
1-2 NL at the taj. Hero has ~$350 villain has ~$500

hero has 8c9c

villain is UTG+3 and raises to 12, hero is in cutoff and calls, blinds fold.

flop comes 8 9 2 rainbow

villain checks, hero bets $20, villain checkraises to $70 hero calls

turn is a 5

villain bets $125, hero?

-Villain is a tight solid player but i know he's capable of making a play.
-I've played with him before and he knows i'm TAG but i was also loosening up a little bit in previous hands and making some plays

Now here is where it gets interesting. I tell him i have a real hand right now. Villain offers to show me a cards for $30, I ask him if it matters which card he shows, he says no.

I think i should have paid to see the card but i don't see how it makes my decision easier, the hand i'm afraid of is a set and he said i could pick either card. What do you think?

something happened afterwards but i want to see the response to this first.
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Old 11-19-2007, 06:08 PM
Rick Diesel Rick Diesel is offline
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Default Re: Villain offers to show a card

The only hand he could possibly bluff with here is 77 or 66, and most people aren't smart enough for that. 99% of the time when a situation like this occurs, the villain has the goods.
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Old 11-19-2007, 06:12 PM
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Default Re: Villain offers to show a card

He's retarded, allin. You should've shoved the flop.
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Old 11-19-2007, 06:15 PM
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Default Re: Villain offers to show a card

Forget paying him, poooooosh and find out. He definitely doesn't have 76, and if he has the other two 9s or 8s, so be it.
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Old 11-19-2007, 06:16 PM
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Default Re: Villain offers to show a card

shove the flop, he very likely have an overpair, way more often than a set.
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Old 11-19-2007, 06:21 PM
djcarter66 djcarter66 is offline
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Default Re: Villain offers to show a card

This is how I lose all my money at cash games.

You say to yourself I have 8,9 so he can't have pocket 8 or 9.

He C/R the flop so the 5 probably did not help.

So do I think he really has 2,2.

I'm basically pot committed if I call.

So let's SHOVE.

Then bangs he turns over the pocket 2,5,8 or 9.

Cash games just seem to work that way in a tourney I probably shove the flop and don't think twice about it (even if i lose)
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Old 11-19-2007, 08:43 PM
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Default Re: Villain offers to show a card

shove flop
if he has a set so be it
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Old 11-19-2007, 09:09 PM
pococurante pococurante is offline
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Default Re: Villain offers to show a card

Can't really fold top two here. Move all in and hope you're still good.

IMO the villain offering to show a card is a sign of weakness. If he was that strong, he would shut up and let you get all in against him. He could easily have an overpair, or a worse two pair. Gotta call here.

Also, consider this: suppose you buy a card for $30, and he shows an ace. You then push all in, and he folds. Result = he keeps $160 that should have been yours, and you paid him $30 to do it.
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Old 11-19-2007, 09:10 PM
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Default Re: Villain offers to show a card

Why is everybody commenting on the flop play?

The question is, do you pay to see the card NOW?
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Old 11-19-2007, 09:14 PM
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Default Re: Villain offers to show a card

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The question is, do you pay to see the card NOW?

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No, you're not going to see anything thats going to make your decision easier.

I say villain has two pair and read about the story about a guy who showed one card with two pair and convinced the guy he had a set.
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