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Old 01-29-2007, 11:09 AM
CazGi CazGi is offline
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Default need precision about an hold\'em rule

If the dealer burn and put the turn card before the betting is completed on the flop, what is the rule that is applied about the reshuffle and burn (or not) before the river

I mean, on the Robert's rules of Poker(version PDF page 14, point #8):

8. A dealing error for the fourth boardcard is rectified in a manner to least influence the identity of the boardcards that would have been used without the error. The dealer burns and deals what would have been the fifth card in the fourth card’s place. After this round of betting, the dealer reshuffles the deck , including the card that was taken out of play, but not including the burncards or discards. The dealer then cuts the deck <u> and deals the final card without burning a card </u> . If the fifth card is turned up prematurely, the deck is reshuffled and dealt in the same manner. [See “Section 16 – Explanations,” discussion #2, for more information on this rule.]

so section 16 - explanations #2:

2. The rules given for rectifying a hold’em situation where the dealer has dealt the flop or another boardcard before all the betting action on a round are inferior, because the dealer is told to not burn a card on a redeal. Since the “no burn” rule is so common, there was no choice but to use it here. But at some point it would be good for poker for some major cardrooms to get together and agree to use the better rule, or a gaming commission to require the better rule be used. Here are the rules in question (the third rule and fourth rule in “Section 5 – Hold’em”).
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“If the dealer turns the fourth card on the board before the betting round is complete, the card is taken out of play for that round, even if subsequent players elect to fold. The betting is then completed. The dealer burns and turns what would have been the fifth card in the fourth card’s place. After this round of betting, the dealer reshuffles the deck, including the card that was taken out of play, but not including the burncards or discards. The dealer then cuts the deck and turns the final card without burning a card. (If the fifth card is turned up prematurely, the deck is reshuffled and dealt in the same manner.)”

The portion of this rule saying the dealer does not burn a card on the redeal is misguided. It is much harder for the dealer to control the card to be dealt if a burn is required. The applicable sentence in the rule should read, “The dealer then cuts the deck, <u>burns a card</u> , and turns the final card.”


The question is :

does the dealer burn a card or not after reshuffling the deck (before putting the river on the board) ???

thanks in advance
I apologize for my poor english
Caz
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