Absolute Soulreading/Rigged thread #3

[apefish]

9/20 update: giving credit where it's due

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[23:09] Adam Junglen: man
[23:09] Adam Junglen: imagine multi-accounting super users
[23:09] Adam Junglen: that'd be fun
[23:09] Adam Junglen: lol
[23:09] Adanthar: the software is clearly 1 table max
[23:09] Adam Junglen: Come on
[23:09] Adanthar: and actually come to think about it
[23:09] Adam Junglen: a little humor in there
[23:09] Adanthar: it cant be software
[23:09] Adanthar: it has to be some kind of program with a login
[23:10] Adanthar: otherwise they'd just run 2 copies and multiaccount
[23:10] Adanthar: nah you seriously gave me the idea just now heh
[23:10] Adanthar: dude
[23:10] Adanthar: you just showed conclusively its an inside job
[23:10] Adanthar: omfg
[23:11] Adam Junglen: As long as you give me the credit and make it sound as t hough it was a coherent thought
[23:11] Adam Junglen: I sure did
[23:11] Adanthar: yeah I'm gonna post it right now
[23:11] Adam Junglen: make sure to point out that I'm so brilliant I did it without realizing

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9/19 update: bigdogpckt5s, an AP tourney reg, talking about STEAMROLLER's wins in late August

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Sep 19 2007, 07:43 AM
Ok only once in my mind did I ever think its possible that people new what was going to come up or could see whole cards etc. I was playing the 100 f.o. in the afternoon when this guy i have never heard of comes up to me and says bigdog want to have a 1k last longer at this point i was cl I quickly looked him up on the db and he was 0-24 in multis on ap and never had a cash. But i refused the last longer anyway because i didnt no this guy. He went on to win this tourny 2 hours later he found me in the 150k for a 1k last longer again. I refused and he also won that tourny which i watched him make the most absurd moves all toury long and continue to suck out and win. It was the most bizarre thing I have ever come across. I even called AP vip to inquire about this because why would a guy who is 0-24 try to make a last longer with a person who is usually ontop of the tlb for 1k and he then goes onto win both tournys. I wish i could remember this guys name but the fact is i cant. Anyway read what you want into all that but it was defenetly extreamly bizarre.

bigdogpckt5s

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9/19 update 2: N82 making big progress on a "broken AP HH" converter for PT - expect screenshots soon

9/18 update: We have another rigged account, Payup, bringing the total to 5

9/18 update 2: In this Casinomeister thread, on page 3, a Casinomeister regular asks "if people really buy that crap". One post later, he gets outed as a 2+2 Absolute spammer with the same IP address as the President of Absolute Entertainment.

After the debacle of the last attempt I will be posting this in sections. Likely 3- but could be one more or one less depending how much I want to do.

This is a cliffsnotes of the old cliffsnotes thread regarding the suspected cheating accounts at Absolute.

First- the old OP by Imsakidd and some related posts/edits.

New 9/17 update: We have the Potripper final table HH: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=beats&Number=1212 3790. At this final table, he open folded PF twice and folded to a single PF raise twice in the last 27 hands. Both open folds were with AA and KK behind; the folds made to a raise were when villains had QQ and JJ.

Extra special mod note: random conspiracy theories about AP's rigged flops, other sites, or online poker in general = instaban. Take it to other threads or p5's.

new mod edit: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...umber=12111494

Adanthar requested someone make a cliffsnotes thread to condense the already massive thread, so here goes.

There was a thread in High Stakes Limit that has been up for maybe a week or so, with speculation that a few high stakes limit players could see hole cards. Accounts under suspicion were STEAMROLLER , DOUBLEDRAG , and GRAYCAT . The suspicion had to do with the Win% at showdown, river aggression factor, and their extremely loose preflop stats.

POTRIPPER also made it very deep in a $1k NL tourney, making expert calls like:

Stage #896976330 Tourney ID 1883389 Holdem Multi Normal Tournament No Limit $4500 - 2007-09-13 01:43:49 (ET)
Table: 14 (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - POTRIPPER ($765740 in chips)
Seat 8 - CRAZYMARCO ($214260 in chips)
POTRIPPER - Ante $450
CRAZYMARCO - Ante $450
POTRIPPER - Posts small blind $2250
CRAZYMARCO - Posts big blind $4500
*** POCKET CARDS ***
POTRIPPER - Calls $2250
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
*** FLOP *** [4h Kd Kh]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $9000
CRAZYMARCO - Calls $9000
*** TURN *** [4h Kd Kh] [7s]
CRAZYMARCO - Checks
POTRIPPER - Bets $13500
CRAZYMARCO - All-In(Raise) $200310 to $200310
POTRIPPER - Calls $186810
*** RIVER *** [4h Kd Kh 7s] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
POTRIPPER - Shows [10c 9c] (One pair, kings)
CRAZYMARCO - Shows [9h 2h] (One pair, kings)
POTRIPPER Collects $428520 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($428520)
Board [4h Kd Kh 7s 5s]
Seat 3: POTRIPPER (dealer) (small blind) won Total ($428520) HI$428520) with One pair, kings(ten kicker) [10c 9c - B:Kh,B:Kd,P:10c,P:9c,B:7s]
Seat 8: CRAZYMARCO (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, kings [9h 2h - B:Kh,B:Kd,P:9h,B:7s,B:5s]



After some time (or maybe after xposted to BBV), some suspicion was also brought up regarding these players NL play, mostly at 10/20 and 15/30 NL. They all played a VERY loose preflop style (90/80ish) with hudge river aggression factors. These "superusers" were much easier to spot at NL, especially given about 100 hands of HU from ikestoys vs. DOUBLEDRAG. In the 100 hands, the 3 times Doubledrag folded were when ikestoys had QQ-AA, or when another player 3bet before Doubledrag could act.

It was then brought up that these accounts are very likely the same person, perhaps Mark Seif. Hold on, Let me get my DOOMSWITCH. He was playing HU at 75/150 poo fling, playing terribly and dropping a couple k. Then he says "one second punk"....leaves the table.....then comes back about a minute later and announces "I'm ready to take you down." (from linked thread). Highlights following this involved openfolding when his opponent flopped a boat and capping bottom pair when ahead, etc.

So I think thats the gist of it. It is pretty obvious that if these guys are colluding they are very bad at it and arent really hiding it at all. It is possible the accounts are an AP insider who is disgruntled (Seif was fired a month or 2 ago) and is trying to tarnish the sites reputation.

Nothing is 100% proven yet. There are a few hands where the accounts play in a way where it is not obvious they can see cards:

STAGE #753356407: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $30 - 2007-09-04 17:21:03 (ET)
Table: ALHAMBRA (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($19435 in chips)
Seat 6 - PRIMOGENITOX ($3041 in chips)
Seat 3 - PTOWNER ($8196 in chips)
Seat 4 - THE GRINDER ($7396 in chips)
PRIMOGENITOX - Posts small blind $15
PTOWNER - Posts big blind $30
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to PRIMOGENITOX [Qd Qh]
THE GRINDER - Raises $120 to $120
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $270 to $270
PRIMOGENITOX - Raises $985 to $1000
PTOWNER - Folds
THE GRINDER - Folds
DOUBLEDRAG - Folds
PRIMOGENITOX - returned ($730) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PRIMOGENITOX - Does not show
PRIMOGENITOX Collects $690 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($690)
Seat 3: PTOWNER (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: THE GRINDER Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: DOUBLEDRAG (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: PRIMOGENITOX (small blind) collected Total ($690)


Seat 5 - HOWDUZZYDOIT ($16.50 in chips)
Seat 1 - FRISCOMELT ($8301 in chips)
Seat 2 - FU_BEGGAR ($6000 in chips)
Seat 4 - DOUBLEDRAG ($2365 in chips)
FRISCOMELT - Posts small blind $15
FU_BEGGAR - Posts big blind $30
*** POCKET CARDS ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $90 to $90
HOWDUZZYDOIT - Folds
FRISCOMELT - Calls $75
FU_BEGGAR - Folds
*** FLOP *** [6d 4d Kc]
FRISCOMELT - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $90
FRISCOMELT - Calls $90
*** TURN *** [6d 4d Kc] [Jc]
FRISCOMELT - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $480
FRISCOMELT - Calls $480
*** RIVER *** [6d 4d Kc Jc] [2c]
FRISCOMELT - Bets $7170
DOUBLEDRAG - All-In $1705
FRISCOMELT - returned ($5465) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FRISCOMELT - Shows [8c 7c] (Flush, king high)
DOUBLEDRAG - Mucks
FRISCOMELT Collects $4758 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($4760) | Rake ($2)
Board [6d 4d Kc Jc 2c]
Seat 1: FRISCOMELT (small blind) won Total ($4758) HI$4758) wit Flush, king high [8c 7c - B:Kc,B:Jc,P:8c,P:7c,B:2c]
Seat 2: FU_BEGGAR (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: DOUBLEDRAG HI: [Mucked] [Qs 2s]
Seat 5: HOWDUZZYDOIT (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS

And some screenshots:


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Now I take over (apefish)

Luckily since this is BBV, pics were included.

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Teh funnies:

kkcountry


ADMO


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And like any good BBV thread, some pics were left out but shouldn't have been.

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no love imsa [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]



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Edmond Dantes posted another decent summary that was a lot of duplicate info- but detailed enough I think to include. It was locked for being a

dupe thread but is worth looking at.

It can be found here


------- Nat posts one of the suspected accounts mtt db.

GRAYCAT's MTT history on AP:

Date Buyin Tournament/Event Place Entrants Winnings
9/15/2007 $10 NL Hold'em 344 644 —
9/12/2007 $1,000 NL Hold'em 43 98 —
8/27/2007 $2 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 38 92 —
8/25/2007 $500 NL Hold'em 22 306 $1,071.00
8/21/2007 $20 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 115 134 —
8/19/2007 $150 NL Hold'em 219 552 —
8/18/2007 $500 NL Hold'em 19 365 $1,277.50
8/9/2007 $5 NL Hold'em 2239 2248 —
8/5/2007 $50 NL Hold'em 256 256 —
8/4/2007 $500 NL Hold'em 309 314 —
7/28/2007 $500 NL Hold'em 142 333 —
7/26/2007 $5 NL Hold'em 1832 2190 —
7/26/2007 $0.25 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 1 172 $5.00
7/25/2007 $1,000 NL Hold'em 86 93 —
7/25/2007 $0.25 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 141 168 —
7/25/2007 $20 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 128 133 —
7/24/2007 $25 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 8 10 —
7/23/2007 $15 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 1 19 $530.00
7/23/2007 $20 PL Omaha Hi/Lo 94 94 —
7/23/2007 $5 NL Hold'em 442 527 —
7/23/2007 $5 NL Hold'em 296 297 —
7/22/2007 $150 NL Hold'em 450 474 —
7/21/2007 $500 NL Hold'em 291 299 —
7/19/2007 $1 NL Hold'em 1456 1585 —
7/19/2007 $50 NL Hold'em 169 235 —
7/19/2007 $5 NL Hold'em 64 135 —
7/19/2007 $5 NL Hold'em 280 284 —
7/19/2007 $0.10 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 115 217 —
7/14/2007 $5 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 19 132 —
7/14/2007 $500 NL Hold'em 214 284 —
7/13/2007 $5 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 82 89 —
6/30/2007 $500 NL Hold'em 273 300 —
6/20/2007 $25 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 38 39 —
6/20/2007 $25 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 40 42 —
6/19/2007 $25 NL Hold'em+Rebuys 30 33 —
5/17/2007 $100 NL Hold'em 45 45 —
5/15/2007 $5 NL Hold'em 147 230 —
5/13/2007 $150 NL Hold'em 175 392 —
5/11/2007 $3 NL Hold'em 14 17 —
5/8/2007 $50 NL Hold'em 142 150 —

He's stuck 4k with a -60% ROI


------- nerd debate ensues about just how someone would be able to create a hack like this. For purposes of this thread it's a huge yawner although somewhat interesting. I'll summarize by saying "nobody really knows for certain how it was done if done and whether or not it required an inside presence/knowledge of the software." This part of the debate really isn't important for the cliffsnotes.

------- there is another story about someone and Mark Seif in a session one night. I am leaving out that story also because even the person involved essentially came out to say he didn't believe Mark Seif cheated him. He also said his new policy is to never play against site owners. It's an interesting read but not pertinent to this thread. You can read it all here. .


------- much of the debate involved in the entire thread is over cheating vs normal variance/running hot. I think it is obvious in the thread that many respected higher stakes players whom nobody would think could talk about accusations like this lightly/are in fact quite convinced something is not right. I'll name Adanthar, Schneids, and ikestoys, among others. Sorry if I left you off but I wanted just a few names so people don't think "great another conspiracy theory- break out the tin foil helmets."

to give an example of how out of the ordinary we are talking... Gemmer points out this hand.

With the most suspicious hand being:

STAGE #746856569: HOLDEM NORMAL $200/$400 - 2007-08-28 11:47:04 (ET)
Table: LOC NESS AVE (Real Money) Seat #7 is the dealer
Seat 7 - GEMMER ($7200 in chips)
Seat 3 - GOFETCH ($11990 in chips)
Seat 4 - GRAYCAT ($24027.89 in chips)
Seat 5 - MNTBIKR18 ($7880 in chips)
GOFETCH - Posts small blind $100
GRAYCAT - Posts big blind $200
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to GEMMER [5d 5c]
MNTBIKR18 - Raises $400 to $400
GEMMER - Raises $600 to $600
GOFETCH - Folds
GRAYCAT - Raises $600 to $800
MNTBIKR18 - Calls $400
GEMMER - Calls $200
*** FLOP *** [2c 2s 5s]
GRAYCAT - Checks
MNTBIKR18 - Checks
GEMMER - Bets $200
GRAYCAT - Folds
MNTBIKR18 - Calls $200
*** TURN *** [2c 2s 5s] [10h]
MNTBIKR18 - Checks
GEMMER - Bets $400
MNTBIKR18 - Calls $400
*** RIVER *** [2c 2s 5s 10h] [Ah]
MNTBIKR18 - Checks
GEMMER - Bets $400
MNTBIKR18 - Calls $400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GEMMER - Shows [5d 5c] (Full house, fives full of twos)
MNTBIKR18 - Mucks
GEMMER Collects $4495 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($4500) | Rake ($5)
Board [2c 2s 5s 10h Ah]
Seat 3: GOFETCH (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: GRAYCAT (big blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 5: MNTBIKR18 HI: [Mucked] [Jh 10c]
Seat 7: GEMMER (dealer) won Total ($4495) HI$4495) with Full house, fives full of twos [5d 5c - B:5s,P:5d,P:5c,B:2s,B:2c]

He coldcaps preflop and then proceeds to check/fold the flop on this board.



------- several gimmicks make an appearance. One is worth noting. Pure Gold.

Bill Belichick posts...

"I want to let everyone know that in the past few months I've taken over the role as Mark Seif's poker coach. I can state definitively that our hand viewing procedures are compliant with the stated rules."

If this account never posts again it will be too soon. That's how good that post is.


------ things get exciting. Poster Johnnycakes notes that suspected account Doubledrag is sitting at AP 10/20 NL.
Fireworks ensue.

some hands...

Stage #764235402: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 18:57:07 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($4000 in chips)
Seat 2 - 2006STANGGT ($800 in chips)
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts small blind $10
2006STANGGT - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $10
2006STANGGT - Checks
*** FLOP *** [4c 6s 3c]
2006STANGGT - Bets $20
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $20
*** TURN *** [4c 6s 3c] [5c]
2006STANGGT - Bets $40
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $80 to $80
2006STANGGT - Calls $40
*** RIVER *** [4c 6s 3c 5c] [3d]
2006STANGGT - All-In $680
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $680
*** SHOW DOWN ***
2006STANGGT - Shows [5d 3h] (Full house, threes full of fives)
DOUBLEDRAG - Mucks
2006STANGGT Collects $1599.50 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($1600) | Rake ($0.50)
Board [4c 6s 3c 5c 3d]
Seat 2: 2006STANGGT (big blind) won Total ($1599.50) All-In HI$1599.50) with Full house, threes full of fives [5d 3h - P:3h,B:3d,B:3c,P:5d,B:5c]
Seat 5: DOUBLEDRAG (dealer) (small blind) HI: [Mucked] [Qs 2h]


LOL, he's read the thread?

Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 18:57:40 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - 2006STANGGT ($1599.50 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($3200 in chips)
2006STANGGT - Posts small blind $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
2006STANGGT - Calls $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
*** FLOP *** [5h Kd 8c]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
2006STANGGT - Bets $20
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $20
*** TURN *** [5h Kd 8c] [4d]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
2006STANGGT - Checks
*** RIVER *** [5h Kd 8c 4d] [6c]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
2006STANGGT - Bets $140
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $140
*** SHOW DOWN ***
2006STANGGT - Shows [2c 7h] (Straight, four to eight)
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [5s 7c] (Straight, four to eight)
2006STANGGT Collects $179.75 from main pot
DOUBLEDRAG Collects $179.75 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($360) | Rake ($0.50)
Board [5h Kd 8c 4d 6c]
Seat 2: 2006STANGGT (dealer) (small blind) won Total ($179.75) HI$179.75) with Straight, four to eight [2c 7h - B:8c,P:7h,B:6c,B:5h,B:4d]
Seat 5: DOUBLEDRAG (big blind) won Total ($179.75) HI$179.75) with Straight, four to eight [5s 7c - B:8c,P:7c,B:6c,P:5s,B:4d]


From Hawklet...

must have thought 4 high was good

Stage #764259764: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 19:02:42 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - 2006STANGGT ($1737.75 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($3057.75 in chips)
2006STANGGT - Posts small blind $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
2006STANGGT - Calls $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
*** FLOP *** [5c 5d Qh]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
2006STANGGT - Checks
*** TURN *** [5c 5d Qh] [7d]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
2006STANGGT - Bets $40
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $40
*** RIVER *** [5c 5d Qh 7d] [2s]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
2006STANGGT - Bets $60
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $60
*** SHOW DOWN ***
2006STANGGT - Shows [4c 6c] (One pair, fives)
DOUBLEDRAG - Mucks
2006STANGGT Collects $239.50 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($240) | Rake ($0.50)
Board [5c 5d Qh 7d 2s]
Seat 2: 2006STANGGT (dealer) (small blind) won Total ($239.50) HI$239.50) with One pair, fives(six kicker) [4c 6c - B:5d,B:5c,B:Qh,B:7d,P:6c]
Seat 5: DOUBLEDRAG (big blind) HI: [Mucked] [3s 4s]

Parlay Slow makes the insight...
"doubledrag is just taunting 2+2 with that 4 high call"


------ people talk about whether to play him or not if hes deliberately dumping to cover. a massive rail gathers, forcing some to not be able to watch.

In Imsa's words... "DAMN I WANNANA RIALRALIRAL WTF"


End part one. hand histories from "the dumping sessions" to follow.

[Injection]

Comprehensive.. nice work.

To all the n00bs - It's 100% that this is a security compromise, take all your downie "This isn't conclusive" bs to www.pocketfives.com - ty.

[4drugmoney]

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[pokerchap]

since its obvious that the security was compromised... can we start to talk about the future of online poker and just how big of a deal this really is?

[Warteen]

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Comprehensive.. nice work.



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Although, how does the title of this thread not have the words "superaccount" or "superuser" in it?

[cowpig]

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since its obvious that the security was compromised... can we start to talk about the future of online poker and just how big of a deal this really is?

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this issue is really bothering me a lot. a lot a lot.

Some guy who I met the other day who told me he "plays my stakes" and when he saw me with 4.4k at a 5/10 table said "you should move up you have enough to play 10/20" (for the slow: he is teh fish) told me he head that absolute is actually rigged. And that if absolute is rigged, how do I know Pokerstars isn't?

adasdaswefw2efregrggggggggggggggggggg

[apefish]

------- hands from the sessions....

Stage #764273045: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 19:18:36 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($4059.50 in chips)
Seat 2 - GP333 ($4578.50 in chips)
Seat 3 - RAM20INCH ($800 in chips)
GP333 - Posts small blind $10
RAM20INCH - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $40 to $40
GP333 - Folds
RAM20INCH - All-In(Raise) $780 to $800
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $760
*** FLOP *** [6h Qd 9h]
*** TURN *** [6h Qd 9h] [5h]
*** RIVER *** [6h Qd 9h 5h] [8s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
RAM20INCH - Shows [Qs Ks] (One pair, queens)
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [7s Kd] (Straight, five to nine)
DOUBLEDRAG Collects $1608 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($1610) | Rake ($2)
Board [6h Qd 9h 5h 8s]
Seat 2: GP333 (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: RAM20INCH (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, queens [Qs Ks - P:Qs,B:Qd,P:Ks,B:9h,B:8s]
Seat 5: DOUBLEDRAG (dealer) won Total ($1608) HI$1608) with Straight, five to nine [7s Kd - B:9h,B:8s,P:7s,B:6h,B:5h]


Stage #764276226: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 19:22:24 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - GP333 ($5375.50 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($4056.50 in chips)
GP333 - Posts small blind $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
GP333 - Raises $50 to $60
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $40
*** FLOP *** [6s Kh Ah]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
GP333 - Bets $80
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $80
*** TURN *** [6s Kh Ah] [Ac]
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $80
GP333 - Raises $220 to $220
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $140
*** RIVER *** [6s Kh Ah Ac] [4h]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
GP333 - Bets $700
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $700
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GP333 - Shows [Qh 6h] (Flush, ace high)
DOUBLEDRAG - Mucks
GP333 Collects $2119.50 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($2120) | Rake ($0.50)
Board [6s Kh Ah Ac 4h]
Seat 2: GP333 (dealer) (small blind) won Total ($2119.50) HI$2119.50) with Flush, ace high [Qh 6h - B:Ah,B:Kh,P:Qh,P:6h,B:4h]
Seat 5: DOUBLEDRAG (big blind) HI: [Mucked] [3d Ad]


Stage #764265850: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 19:09:52 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 6 - PROT0 ($764.12 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($2815.75 in chips)
PROT0 - Posts small blind $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
PROT0 - Calls $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $20 to $40
PROT0 - Calls $20
*** FLOP *** [Qc 3s 9c]
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $20
PROT0 - Raises $166 to $166
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $146
*** TURN *** [Qc 3s 9c] [7d]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
PROT0 - All-In $558.12
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $558.12
*** RIVER *** [Qc 3s 9c 7d] [10s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [Kc 4h] (king high)
PROT0 - Shows [Qh 8s] (One pair, queens)
PROT0 Collects $1527.74 from main pot


Stage #764319278: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 20:10:58 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #4 is the dealer
Seat 4 - HYPERMOUSE ($3217.70 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($3390 in chips)
Seat 1 - JPO123 ($1534.50 in chips)
Seat 2 - GP333 ($9785.25 in chips)
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts small blind $10
JPO123 - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
GP333 - Folds
HYPERMOUSE - Raises $70 to $70
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $130 to $140
JPO123 - Folds
HYPERMOUSE - Calls $70
*** FLOP *** [6s 4d 6c]
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $580
HYPERMOUSE - Calls $580
*** TURN *** [6s 4d 6c] [4s]
DOUBLEDRAG - All-In $2670
HYPERMOUSE - All-In $2497.70
DOUBLEDRAG - returned ($172.30) : not called
*** RIVER *** [6s 4d 6c 4s] [5s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HYPERMOUSE - Shows [3d 6h] (Full house, sixes full of fours)
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [10c Jd] (Two Pair, sixes and fours)


Stage #764321824: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 20:13:40 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - GP333 ($9955.55 in chips)
Seat 4 - HYPERMOUSE ($6433.40 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($3607.70 in chips)
Seat 1 - JPO123 ($1752.50 in chips)
HYPERMOUSE - Posts small blind $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
JPO123 - Raises $60 to $60
GP333 - Raises $240 to $240
HYPERMOUSE - Folds
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $220
JPO123 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [10c Qh 6h]
DOUBLEDRAG - All-In $3367.70
GP333 - Calls $3367.70
*** TURN *** [10c Qh 6h] [Kh]
*** RIVER *** [10c Qh 6h Kh] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GP333 - Shows [Kd Ks] (Three of a kind, kings)
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [3h 2s] (Flush, king high)
DOUBLEDRAG Collects $7283.40 from main pot


Stage #764329584: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 20:21:54 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - JPO123 ($2396 in chips)
Seat 2 - GP333 ($7994.85 in chips)
Seat 3 - GREEKSQUARED ($770 in chips)
Seat 4 - HYPERMOUSE ($6480.40 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($4889.90 in chips)
GP333 - Posts small blind $10
GREEKSQUARED - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
HYPERMOUSE - Raises $70 to $70
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $180 to $180
JPO123 - Folds
GP333 - Folds
GREEKSQUARED - Raises $380 to $400
HYPERMOUSE - Folds
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $220
*** FLOP *** [Qd 3d 4h]
GREEKSQUARED - Bets $200
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $4280 to $4280
GREEKSQUARED - All-In $170
DOUBLEDRAG - returned ($3910) : not called
*** TURN *** [Qd 3d 4h] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [Qd 3d 4h 9s] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GREEKSQUARED - Shows [Ad As] (One pair, aces)
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [7d Jh] (One pair, jacks)
GREEKSQUARED Collects $1617 from main pot

At this point it is fairly obvious he has read the threads. Although more obvious to some than others... as Adanthar's reply to a post shows...

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Right now, from the HH's I see here, it seems likely that he has read the monster threads, realized he has been caught and is now playing a maniacal style but intentionally losing this time so that people go "oh wait look that style IS a losing one", hoping to calm people down.

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was it the c/c with 4 high that tipped you off?

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----- some table chat.

A2Steaksauce: You're a confirmed cheater
DOUBLEDRAG: You're a confirmed [censored]
DOUBLEDRAG: lol



----- teddyFBI helps clarify if Absolute is taking any steps.

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From a relatively senior contact I have over at Absolute received at 6:40pm today:

"Thanks a lot for bringing this to my attention. Our team is aware of this and is taking action. I will keep u up to date on anything i find out.

Thanks,"

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------ more hands.


Stage #764339565: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 20:32:39 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - JPO123 ($3427 in chips)
Seat 2 - GP333 ($12957.75 in chips)
Seat 3 - GREEKSQUARED ($1547 in chips)
Seat 4 - HYPERMOUSE ($6630.40 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($4000 in chips)
Seat 6 - RIGGED14 ($2000 in chips)
GP333 - Posts small blind $10
GREEKSQUARED - Posts big blind $20
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts dead $30 dead $10
RIGGED14 - sitout (wait for BB)
*** POCKET CARDS ***
HYPERMOUSE - Calls $20
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $40 to $60
JPO123 - Raises $300 to $300
GP333 - Raises $810 to $820
GREEKSQUARED - Folds
HYPERMOUSE - Folds
DOUBLEDRAG - All-In(Raise) $3930 to $3990
JPO123 - Folds
GP333 - Calls $3170
*** FLOP *** [7h 9s 8d]
*** TURN *** [7h 9s 8d] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [7h 9s 8d 8s] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
GP333 - Shows [Ac Ah] (Two Pair, aces and eights)
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [3s 3d] (Two Pair, eights and threes)
GP333 Collects $8327 from main pot


vzStage #764341030: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 20:34:17 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - GREEKSQUARED ($1517 in chips)
Seat 4 - HYPERMOUSE ($6590.40 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($4000 in chips)
Seat 6 - RIGGED14 ($2000 in chips)
Seat 1 - JPO123 ($3157 in chips)
Seat 2 - GP333 ($17294.75 in chips)
HYPERMOUSE - Posts small blind $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts big blind $20
RIGGED14 - sitout (wait for BB)
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to GP333 [10d 7s]
JPO123 - Folds
GP333 - Raises $80 to $80
GREEKSQUARED - Folds
HYPERMOUSE - Folds
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $60
*** FLOP *** [7d Qc Ad]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
GP333 - Bets $120
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $3800 to $3800
GP333 - Folds
DOUBLEDRAG - returned ($3680) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Does not show
DOUBLEDRAG Collects $407 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($410) | Rake ($3)
Board [7d Qc Ad]
Seat 1: JPO123 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: GP333 Folded on the FLOP
Seat 3: GREEKSQUARED (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: HYPERMOUSE (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: DOUBLEDRAG (big blind) collected Total ($407) HI$407) [Does not show]


Stage #764343419: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 20:36:55 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 6 - RIGGED14 ($1920 in chips)
Seat 1 - JPO123 ($3067 in chips)
Seat 2 - GP333 ($17451.75 in chips)
Seat 3 - GREEKSQUARED ($1517 in chips)
Seat 4 - HYPERMOUSE ($6580.40 in chips)
Seat 5 - DOUBLEDRAG ($4017 in chips)
JPO123 - Posts small blind $10
GP333 - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to HYPERMOUSE [Qd 9d]
GREEKSQUARED - Folds
HYPERMOUSE - Raises $70 to $70
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $70
RIGGED14 - Calls $70
JPO123 - Calls $60
GP333 - Folds
*** FLOP *** [3h 8c 9h]
JPO123 - Checks
HYPERMOUSE - Bets $235
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $470 to $470
RIGGED14 - Folds
JPO123 - Folds
HYPERMOUSE - Calls $235
*** TURN *** [3h 8c 9h] [10h]
HYPERMOUSE - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $100
HYPERMOUSE - Calls $100
*** RIVER *** [3h 8c 9h 10h] [3c]
HYPERMOUSE - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
HYPERMOUSE - Shows [Qd 9d] (Two Pair, nines and threes)
DOUBLEDRAG - Mucks
HYPERMOUSE Collects $1437 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($1440) | Rake ($3)
Board [3h 8c 9h 10h 3c]
Seat 1: JPO123 (small blind) Folded on the FLOP
Seat 2: GP333 (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: GREEKSQUARED Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: HYPERMOUSE won Total ($1437) HI$1437) with Two Pair, nines and threes [Qd 9d - B:9h,P:9d,B:3h,B:3c,P:Qd]
Seat 5: DOUBLEDRAG HI: [Mucked] [6d Js]
Seat 6: RIGGED14 (dealer) Folded on the FLOP


------ doubledrags pokertracker graph for the session found here...

http://img7.imagevenue.com/img.php?i..._122_788lo.jpg

raw pokertracker data for the session...

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---- doubledrag takes a break. then he comes back.

some chat...

DOUBLEDRAG: why were they so harsh with me?
NYBULLY: BIGHEAD DONT FOLD ON HIM
GP333: they think u are a cheaeter or something
DOUBLEDRAG: how
GP333: dont worry about it just play your game!!
GP333: because you win so much
<< Result for Hand 764363142 >>
CALVINHOBBES wins ($158.50) with (Three of a kind, nines).
BIGHEAD909 wins ($158.50) with (Three of a kind, nines).
DOUBLEDRAG: yeah i guess ur right
DOUBLEDRAG: i lose really bad at times
GP333: how much u win here
DOUBLEDRAG: but i am trying
NYBULLY: IF HE GIVES ME 20K I WOULDNT WORRY
GP333: u up since depositing??
ERIKCOOLGUY: can anyone please spot me 50
DOUBLEDRAG: yeah but before this last run... i was down a ton
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<< Result for Hand 764364003 >>
DOUBLEDRAG wins ($387.00) with (One pair, tens).
ERIKCOOLGUY: someone please spot 50
GP333: gl with it
DOUBLEDRAG: at ftp i am down
DOUBLEDRAG: 40k
GP333: ooof
ERIKCOOLGUY: come one i need to get into a table
<< Result for Hand 764364780 >>
FU_BEGGAR wins ($287.00) with (Two Pair, aces and jacks).
DOUBLEDRAG: can you cheat
DOUBLEDRAG: somehow?
GP333: i dont know for sure
GP333: but peopl think its u
<< Result for Hand 764365437 >>
GP333 wins ($477.00 chips).
FU_BEGGAR: doubledrag is the biggest cheater
GP333: cuz u so tough to play with
MANUTEBOLJR: they neen an excuse for losin
<< Result for Hand 764366129 >>
DOUBLEDRAG wins ($50.00 chips).
DOUBLEDRAG: got it
NYBULLY: DRAG DONT WORRY ABOUT THAT US CROOKS HAVE TO STICK 2GETHER
<< Result for Hand 764366425 >>
DOUBLEDRAG wins ($50.00 chips).


hands...

Stage #764374293: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 21:10:18 (ET)
Table: GALVESTON AVE (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
Seat 2 - GP333 ($4300 in chips)
Seat 3 - DOUBLEDRAG ($2804 in chips)
Seat 4 - CALVINHOBBES ($4177 in chips)
Seat 5 - MANUTEBOLJR ($5371 in chips)
Seat 6 - BIGHEAD909 ($2861.50 in chips)
Seat 1 - FU_BEGGAR ($4064 in chips)
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts small blind $10
CALVINHOBBES - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
MANUTEBOLJR - Folds
BIGHEAD909 - Folds
FU_BEGGAR - Raises $80 to $80
GP333 - Calls $80
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $190 to $200
CALVINHOBBES - Folds
FU_BEGGAR - Folds
GP333 - Calls $120
*** FLOP *** [3c 5d Qc]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
GP333 - Checks
*** TURN *** [3c 5d Qc] [Qs]
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $40
GP333 - Raises $580 to $580
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $540
*** RIVER *** [3c 5d Qc Qs] [Jd]
DOUBLEDRAG - Checks
GP333 - Checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [10h 7d] (One pair, queens)
GP333 - Shows [6h 6c] (Two Pair, queens and sixes)
GP333 Collects $1657 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($1660) | Rake ($3)
Board [3c 5d Qc Qs Jd]
Seat 1: FU_BEGGAR Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: GP333 (dealer) won Total ($1657) HI$1657) with Two Pair, queens and sixes [6h 6c - B:Qs,B:Qc,P:6h,P:6c,B:Jd]
Seat 3: DOUBLEDRAG (small blind) HI:lost with One pair, queens [10h 7d - B:Qs,B:Qc,B:Jd,P:10h,P:7d]
Seat 4: CALVINHOBBES (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: MANUTEBOLJR Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: BIGHEAD909 Folded on the POCKET CARDS


Stage #764381019: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 21:17:28 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #1 is the dealer
Seat 1 - BIGHEAD909 ($824 in chips)
Seat 2 - WPORTER ($1567 in chips)
Seat 3 - DOUBLEDRAG ($4137 in chips)
Seat 4 - CALVINHOBBES ($4000 in chips)
Seat 5 - MANUTEBOLJR ($2062 in chips)
Seat 6 - FU_BEGGAR ($5056 in chips)
WPORTER - Posts small blind $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
CALVINHOBBES - Calls $20
MANUTEBOLJR - Folds
FU_BEGGAR - Folds
BIGHEAD909 - Folds
WPORTER - Calls $10
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $40 to $60
CALVINHOBBES - Calls $40
WPORTER - Calls $40
*** FLOP *** [3d 7d Ac]
WPORTER - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $60
CALVINHOBBES - Calls $60
WPORTER - Calls $60
*** TURN *** [3d 7d Ac] [5d]
WPORTER - Checks
DOUBLEDRAG - Bets $80
CALVINHOBBES - Calls $80
WPORTER - Raises $400 to $400
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $320
CALVINHOBBES - Folds
*** RIVER *** [3d 7d Ac 5d] [5c]
WPORTER - Bets $750
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $3400 to $3400
WPORTER - All-In $297
DOUBLEDRAG - returned ($2353) : not called
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Shows [6c 8c] (One pair, fives)
WPORTER - Shows [Ad 10h] (Two Pair, aces and fives)
WPORTER Collects $3331 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($3334) | Rake ($3)
Board [3d 7d Ac 5d 5c]
Seat 1: BIGHEAD909 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 2: WPORTER (small blind) won Total ($3331) All-In HI$3331) with Two Pair, aces and fives [Ad 10h - P:Ad,B:Ac,B:5d,B:5c,P:10h]
Seat 3: DOUBLEDRAG (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, fives [6c 8c - B:5d,B:5c,B:Ac,P:8c,B:7d]
Seat 4: CALVINHOBBES Folded on the TURN
Seat 5: MANUTEBOLJR Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 6: FU_BEGGAR Folded on the POCKET CARDS


Stage #764384931: Holdem No Limit $20 - 2007-09-16 21:21:38 (ET)
Table: DOHENY AVE (Real Money) Seat #6 is the dealer
Seat 6 - FU_BEGGAR ($4986 in chips)
Seat 1 - BIGHEAD909 ($764 in chips)
Seat 2 - WPORTER ($3518 in chips)
Seat 3 - DOUBLEDRAG ($3517 in chips)
Seat 4 - CALVINHOBBES ($4644 in chips)
Seat 5 - MANUTEBOLJR ($1842 in chips)
BIGHEAD909 - Posts small blind $10
WPORTER - Posts big blind $20
*** POCKET CARDS ***
DOUBLEDRAG - Raises $40 to $40
CALVINHOBBES - Folds
MANUTEBOLJR - Calls $40
FU_BEGGAR - Calls $40
BIGHEAD909 - Calls $30
WPORTER - Folds
*** FLOP *** [Kh Js Kc]
BIGHEAD909 - Bets $40
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $40
MANUTEBOLJR - Calls $40
FU_BEGGAR - Folds
*** TURN *** [Kh Js Kc] [6s]
BIGHEAD909 - Bets $80
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $80
MANUTEBOLJR - Folds
*** RIVER *** [Kh Js Kc 6s] [4d]
BIGHEAD909 - Bets $180
DOUBLEDRAG - Calls $180
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BIGHEAD909 - Shows [Ks 9c] (Three of a kind, kings)
DOUBLEDRAG - Mucks
BIGHEAD909 Collects $817 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($820) | Rake ($3)
Board [Kh Js Kc 6s 4d]
Seat 1: BIGHEAD909 (small blind) won Total ($817) HI$817) with Three of a kind, kings [Ks 9c - P:Ks,B:Kh,B:Kc,B:Js,P:9c]
Seat 2: WPORTER (big blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: DOUBLEDRAG HI: [Mucked] [5s Qh]
Seat 4: CALVINHOBBES Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: MANUTEBOLJR Folded on the TURN
Seat 6: FU_BEGGAR (dealer) Folded on the FLOP


----- jman220 makes an interesting point to ponder.

"It is a little strange that he's willing to invest this much money in trying to repair his image considering the fact that we all estimated he won a few hundred thousand at most. If anything, I think this may be an indication that the cheating is more widespread than just his account, and he's trying to do everything he can to repair the damage he's done to his ring of cheaters."

and then another...

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or it could just be that the cards are breaking even now, while before he was running hot

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he won 37 buyins (assuming a buyin = 100BB) in 440 hands playing 90/70. do you seriously think its possible to do this without cheating?

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And that stat is still not the most amazing one. I don't think people realize how impossible it is to play 190 hands HEADS UP with the stats he had AND NEVER ONCE CALL ON THE RIVER. That set he had like around 30 WSD. That means that out of the 190 hands, he saw around 57 showdowns, heads up. He saw 57, and in all those 57 showdowns, he never once called on the river, he raised every time. I wish we had seen his went to river stat as well, because that would also be interesting. I cannot comprehend this statistic without him being able to see hole cards. The odds must be astronomical to have those stats, while simultaneously winning whatever ridiculous amount he won, with the won money at showdown stat that he also had.

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------- greeksquared attempts to help put the odds this is just a legit heater in perspective...

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I have a masters in statistics and an off the cuff estimate I would give would be something like 10^20:1

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Back soon with part three.

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Comprehensive.. nice work.



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Although, how does the title of this thread not have the words "superaccount" or "superuser" in it?

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Cuz that's gay.

All the cool kids use "omnipaccount" or "omnisciuser".

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my name is squareview and I created a dumb gimmick to troll, making a few people do some work to double check a point

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And apefish, very very nice work ldo.